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Posted on 03/20/2010 8:22:41 PM PDT by restornu
Well not both you and Bart Stupak are now happy campers!
Huh?
you haven’t exactly been a model of discretion.
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Spit out my pop as I burst out laughing....
Still cut and paste and devoid of any “personal”.
I get that you don’t want to honestly discuss or debate. But doesn’t that give rise, vividly, to your discomfort with the tenets of LDS?
I mean if you can just wait around for a new revelation to ease some uncomfortable position, does that not indicate that God is not Omnipresent and Omniscient.
Meaning, his objective intellectual perception is ever changing as relates to the condition of man, his intent and capacity for spiritual perfection.
Why does LDS constantly challenge and insult God with new revelations and not cast aside old parts of doctrine in which the new revelation should replace?
Is it only that previous prophets made a mistake?
If so is not possible there a number of mistakes yet to be dealt with?
Would you like me to post your info and where you work?
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Legrande does not claim angelhood as the rest of you....
LOL
Figures since God doesn't play into it anyways..
Oh and by your provided definition this cannot be an ecumenical thread to begin with...
So there were Mormons before ther were Mormons...
Wow... It just gets better and better don’t it? LOL...
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No there were saints before there were Latter day saints!
Oh please it was a sobering comment to remind you stop the BS!
I read it no other way...
LeGrande:
Well if I am technically correct, then I am correct. And if you are referring to the Spainish Inquisition, that was a much different and some 300 years later. It was not directed at Jews and Moslems who were living in Spain. After Queen Isabella in 1492 reconquered Spainish lands from the Moslem invaders, who had invaded Catholic Spain in the 7th century, Moslems were forced out, Jews were expelled given 3 months to wind up their personal affairs [unjust action yes] and the inquisiiton trials were for heretical Catholics, many of which had conspired with the Moslems in the Isabella’s attempt to reconquer Spain from the Moslems.
The Cathar inquisition was more of a milatary battle which loyal Catholic Princes fought the Cathar Heretics, who had murdered the Papal Legate and other Catholic Priests while celebrating Mass. In the early 13th century, murdering a Priest while Celebrating Mass/Sacred Liturgy was seen as an direct attack on God, and thus a direct attack on social and civil order, and was dealt with in that context
Trying to retroactively take 20th and 21th century concepts of separation of CHurch and state, whereby attacking a Catholic Priest or Protestant Minister or any religous leader would be dealt with by the authorities as Murder, and not a direct attack on the State itself and the social and civil and moral order.
So again, Pope Innocent called for Catholic princes to attack the regions controlled by the Cathars and in the end, while the regions were eventually controlled, the persecutions of the Cathars did not win anyone over, it was with the orthodox preaching of the Domenicans and Franciscans that eventually returned the heretical Cathars back to the faith. In the end, it was the French King Louis VIII who was able to benefit as more and more land came under his control and a dominate France, while staunchly Catholic in the 13th and 14th century, would push its nationalist agenda, many times at odds with Rome and the Pope as the French Kings would later force the Papacy to move from Rome to Avignon which became known as the Bablyonian captivity of the Papacy.
As for the Arian heresy, the point I was making is that orthodox Christianity, true Christianity, rejected Arianism and Mormon theology, in that it is similar to Arius views was rejected and makes Christ less than God, and thus if he were not God, then his passion and resurrection are efficacious in restoring humanity from sin and death and if Christ is who “Mormons” say he is, then to worship Christ would be blasphemy.
However, Christ is the Christ of the Nicene and Apostles Creed and thus as the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity and is a Divine Person with both a Divine and Human Nature, i.e. True God and True Man.
Given your writing I could see that..
I wonder if they knew about the Moon Quakers and had a map of where the Nephites went.....
Yes and I conceded as much, I was writing in broad generalities : ) Which are inherently wrong at some point.
As for the Arian heresy, the point I was making is that orthodox Christianity, true Christianity, rejected Arianism and Mormon theology, in that it is similar to Arius views was rejected and makes Christ less than God, and thus if he were not God, then his passion and resurrection are efficacious in restoring humanity from sin and death and if Christ is who “Mormons” say he is, then to worship Christ would be blasphemy.
I am assuming that you meant 'not' efficacious? Mormons worship God the Father, through Christ. And yes I understand that from the Catholic position that is heresy, blasphemy would be too mild I would think.
According to Mormon theology, Christ, when he was on the earth was half man and half God, subject to the same temptations as we are and capable of dying. The dual nature enabled him to overcome death and sin (the same thing actually, sin is willful separation from God) and in the transformation becoming one with God the Father. Mormons believe that the possibility of failure enabled the restoration of mankind from sin and death. That is the gift from Christ to Mankind.
However, Christ is the Christ of the Nicene and Apostles Creed and thus as the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity and is a Divine Person with both a Divine and Human Nature, i.e. True God and True Man.
Now that sounds just like Mormon Doctrine : )
Let's see, I got 2 artificial knees, 2 artificial hips, a plate, rods and screws in my lower back, and a plate in my neck. Plus hardware in both wrists.
I probably couldn't walk too far - BUT...
I would never doubt for a moment that when I couldn't take another step, Mormons would gather me up, and carry me, whatever the distance.
Here is the way this works. Go public with anyone’s address and I will feel free to out yours and the rest of the information I can find in 5 minutes and even more within 48 hours.
Your absurd threats will be met an even bigger absurdity. Besides, LeGrande, aren’t you a little old to be a spook, white hatter or even black hatter?
If you heard something loud that was me falling off my chair and laughing my ..... off.
You are a joke.
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