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1 posted on 03/21/2010 3:03:29 PM PDT by NYer
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A Sunday evening ‘refresher’ course ping!


2 posted on 03/21/2010 3:04:12 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

Good starter list....not sure why Islam is not included on this Roman Catholic list. Most Christians I know consider it a heresy, esp given its origins.


4 posted on 03/21/2010 3:18:12 PM PDT by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: NYer

What the author refers to as “private judgment” among Protestants is an explicit rejection of the position of the Catholic church. The number of Protestant denominations may be seen by Catholics as a mark of contradiction, but it is our strength. When you remove many of the differences in practice, there is remarkable harmony between Protestant denominations about the role of Scripture, faith, and of Christ.

Protestantism has survived the test of time for good reasons; it too, is based on the Rock, Jesus.


5 posted on 03/21/2010 3:27:19 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: NYer

So, call me a heretic. I still believe in the one true God.


6 posted on 03/21/2010 3:29:37 PM PDT by irishtenor (Beer. God's way of making sure the Irish don't take over the world.)
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To: NYer
Since this author is portraying Protestants as heretics & false teachers, I think the advisory board of the group making this portrayal ought to be alerted. Why? Well advisory board members like Michael J. Behe, J. Budziszewski, Dinesh D'Souza, Robert George, James Hitchcock, Peter Kreeft, Rabbi Daniel Lapin, Paul Vitz, and Christopher Wolfe all probably have as many if not more Protestant readers than RC ones...

(And if they are in agreement about broadbrushing Protestants as "heretics" & "false teachers" -- then may I recommend Protestant reconsider purchasing books authored by the above?)

I think there are some Protestants who indeed have introduced some false teachings. That's not the issue with the way this article is written. The author has lumped all Protestants with all heretical groups.

I think it's time for FREEPERS to e-mail these authors above & let them know either (a) they don't appreciate their association with this group; and/or (b) unless they remove that association, their books will be boycotted.

Robert George & Budziszewski, I'm sure, have been interviewed on plenty of Protestant-based radio programming. Perhaps it's time for that to change!

8 posted on 03/21/2010 3:55:13 PM PDT by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it.)
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To: NYer
But you left out the greatest heretic of them all...The Catholic church which calls itself the one true church that Jesus founded...

And then this:

Finally, the doubt or denial involved in heresy must concern a matter that has been revealed by God and solemnly defined by the Church (for example, the Trinity, the Incarnation, the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the sacrifice of the Mass, the pope's infallibility, or the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of Mary).

You apparently chose to believe that the God of the Bible has revealed some sort of extra Biblical truth to your popes even tho many were drunks, committed fornication, bore kids out of wedlock, were homosexuals and child molesters, passed on the position to family, and even sold the position of the head of the magisterium to others, and killed each other for the title...

And God revealed to these insults to Christianity that theirs was the one, true religion, that they, themselves were infallible and that Mary had an immaculate conception, etc., etc...

The heretics you describe are mild to laughable compared to the heresy of the Catholic religion...

14 posted on 03/21/2010 4:51:07 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: NYer; Salvation; annalex
In light of what we are all going through with the crisis in American government this very night, can you all not refrain from more religious one-up-manship for ONE day???

I can not care less what the Roman Catholic Church thinks about other true, Biblical Christian doctrine. Call me a heretic because I left the ROMAN Catholic Church - the Lord God Almighty sees my heart and recognizes true faith. I do not need nor want your Imprimatur. I know what I believe and why!

No wonder you disparage sola scriptura and sola fide, your religion has rejected what scripture teaches about salvation by grace through faith and substituted man's works and merits in place of the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ our savior and Lord. It is truly sad that you cannot see that ALLreligion enslaves mankind by putting the responsibility on him to earn salvation rather than God reaching down to us and binding us back to him through unmerited, unearned, undeserved GRACE. You further enslave by claiming your religion alone is the source of grace when it has not the faintest idea anymore of what that word even means.

I've had enough LIES for one day - thank you!

22 posted on 03/21/2010 9:02:41 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: NYer

Vatican II should be on that list.


26 posted on 03/22/2010 1:02:58 AM PDT by Rich Knight
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To: NYer
 
Heresies have been with us from the Church's beginning. They even have been started by Church leaders, who were then corrected by councils and popes. Fortunately, we have Christ's promise that heresies will never prevail against the Church, for he told Peter, "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18).
 
 
The Church is truly, in Paul's words, "the pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).

 
Is Peter the 'rock'?
 


Matthew 4:18-19
 18.  As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen.
 19.  "Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men."
 
Matthew 8:14
 14.  When Jesus came into Peter's house, he saw Peter's mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever.
 
Matthew 10:1-2
 1.  He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil  spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
 2.  These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John;
 
Matthew 14:28-31
 28.  "Lord, if it's you," Peter replied, "tell me to come to you on the water."
 29.  "Come," he said.   Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus.
 30.  But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, "Lord, save me!"
 31.  Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. "You of little faith," he said, "why did you doubt?"
 
Matthew 15:13-16
 13.  He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots.
 14.  Leave them; they are blind guides.  If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."
 15.  Peter said, "Explain the parable to us."
 16.  "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.
 

As you can see, Simon was already known as 'Peter'
BEFORE the following verses came along.....


Matthew 16:13-18
 13.  When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
 14.  They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
 15.  "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
 16.  Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,  the Son of the living God."
 17.  Jesus replied, "
Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
 18.  And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
 19.  I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be  bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

1 Corinthians 10:4
  and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
 
Luke 6:48
   He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.
 
Romans 9:33
   As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
 
 
 
1 Peter 2:4-8
 4.  As you come to him, the living Stone--rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him--
 5.  you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
 6.  For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
 7.  Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, "
 8.  and, "A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message--which is also what they were destined for.


But, since there WAS no NT at the time Christ spoke to Peter, just what DID Peter and the rest of the Disciples know about ROCKS???

 

Genesis 49:24-25
 24.  But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed limber, because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob, because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel,
 25.  because of your father's God, who helps you, because of the Almighty,  who blesses you with blessings of the heavens above, blessings of the deep that lies below, blessings of the breast and womb.
 
Numbers 20:8
  "Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink."
 
Deuteronomy 32:4
 He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
 
Deuteronomy 32:15
 Jeshurun  grew fat and kicked; filled with food, he became heavy and sleek. He abandoned the God who made him and rejected the Rock his Savior.
 
Deuteronomy 32:18
  You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.
 
Deuteronomy 32:30-31
 30.  How could one man chase a thousand, or two put ten thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless the LORD had given them up?
 31.  For their rock is not like our Rock, as even our enemies concede.
 
1 Samuel 2:2
 "There is no one holy  like the LORD; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.
 
2 Samuel 22:2-3
 2.  He said: "The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer;
 3.  my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn  of my salvation. He is my stronghold, my refuge and my savior-- from violent men you save me.
 
2 Samuel 22:32
  For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?
 
 2 Samuel 22:47
   "The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God, the Rock, my Savior!
 
 2 Samuel 23:3-4
 3.  The God of Israel spoke, the Rock of Israel said to me: `When one rules over men in righteousness, when he rules in the fear of God,
 4.  he is like the light of morning at sunrise on a cloudless morning, like the brightness after rain that brings the grass from the earth.'
 
Psalms 18:2
  The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn  of my salvation, my stronghold.
 
Psalms 18:31
   For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?
 
Psalms 18:46
  The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God my Savior!
 
Psalms 19:14
  May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.
 
Psalms 28:1
 To you I call, O LORD my Rock; do not turn a deaf ear to me. For if you remain silent, I will be like those who have gone down to the pit.
 
Psalms 31:2-3
 2.  Turn your ear to me, come quickly to my rescue; be my rock of refuge, a strong fortress to save me.
 3.  Since you are my rock and my fortress, for the sake of your name lead and guide me.
 
Psalms 42:9
 I say to God my Rock, "Why have you forgotten me? Why must I go about mourning, oppressed by the enemy?"
 
Psalms 62:2
  He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will never be shaken.
 
Psalms 62:6
 He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will not be shaken.
 
Psalms 62:7
 My salvation and my honor depend on God ; he is my mighty rock, my refuge.
 
Psalms 71:3
 Be my rock of refuge, to which I can always go; give the command to save me, for you are my rock and my fortress.
 
Psalms 78:35
   They remembered that God was their Rock, that God Most High was their Redeemer.
 
Psalms 89:26
  He will call out to me, `You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Savior.'
 
Psalms 92:14-15
 14.  They will still bear fruit in old age, they will stay fresh and green,
 15.  proclaiming, "The LORD is upright; he is my Rock, and there is no wickedness in him."
 
Psalms 95:1
 Come, let us sing for joy to the LORD; let us shout aloud to the Rock of our salvation.
 
Psalms 144:1
  Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.
 
Isaiah 17:10
   You have forgotten God your Savior; you have not remembered the Rock, your fortress.
 
Isaiah 26:4
Trust in the LORD forever, for the LORD, the LORD, is the Rock eternal.
 
Isaiah 30:29
And you will sing as on the night you celebrate a holy festival; your hearts will rejoice as when people go up with flutes to the mountain of the LORD, to the Rock of Israel.
 
Isaiah 44:8
 Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one." 
 
Habakkuk 1:12
 O LORD, are you not from everlasting? My God, my Holy One, we will not die. O LORD, you have appointed them to execute judgment; O Rock, you have ordained them to punish.

.....No other rock.............
 
And now you know the Biblical position!

54 posted on 03/23/2010 6:16:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NYer
Have you read Hilaire Belloc's The Great Heresies?

Cheers!

189 posted on 03/24/2010 5:11:41 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: NYer

Marianism, Popism, transubstantiationism, purgatoryism...


338 posted on 03/29/2010 6:39:39 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (A Christian Democrat is better than a heathen Republican)
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