Is this the face of Jesus Christ?Figure of crucified man on Shroud comes to life

WND ^ | March 24th, 2010

[nina0113]

ping

[Mercat]

Book mark for later

[flowerplough]

“...the face cloth is known as the Sudarium; it’s kept in a cathedral in Oviedo, Spain. “

And in The Innocents Abroad, Mark Twain noted that as he and his fellow travelers crossed Europe, “we find a piece of the true cross in every old church we go into, and some of the nails that held it together. I would not like to be positive, but I think we have seen as much as a keg of these nails.”

Twill weave? It wasn’t that twill couldn’t have existed before the Diasora, but that recently discovered 1st century burial shrouds from Jerusalem are simpler two-way weave - not the twill weave used on the Turin Shroud. Also, instead of being a single sheet like the famous item in Turin, those recently discovered are made up of several sections, with a (biblically-mentioned) separate piece for the head.

and gw, as for “blood decomposition products, traces of pollen matched by location and even germination time of year to species specific TO the outskirts of Jerusalem; studies on weaving of the fabric; studies on the anatomy of the body”... Who did the work, and when was it done? 30 years ago? Univacs doing the probability calculations, or were they using slide rules, like the SR-71 boys in the old Lockheed “Skunk Works”?

Look, y’all got Jesus’ shroud and True Cross splinters and saints’ shinbones, and the soldier’s side-piercing spear - you seem to me to be little more than pagans with mystic, magic charms and relics. If it’s Jesus’ shroud, I’m sure he’ll claim it back when he comes back, but, absent His call, I just ain’t buying what Turin’s selling.

[Mercat]

I need a source too. I seriously doubt its authenticity.

[RightOnline]

...which is exactly why I knew it was a waste of time even responding to you.

“Damn the facts; my mind is made up.”

[NYer]

Steve and I are going to be going to Lourdes about that time and the train ticket over to Turin is only $130 so we’re thinking about going. Do you know what the arrangements are for viewing?

Reservations will be required to obtain the tickets needed to attend the Shroud exhibition, although admission is free. Reservations can be made online at the Archdiocese of Turin Website at www.sindone.org/FAQ-en.htm. Check their website (available in Italian and English) for the latest information on the exhibition. The Archdiocese stated that there would be an on-site reservation system available to those who were unable make their reservations online, but first priority would be given to disabled visitors and to religious groups. However, in my experience (which includes three previous exhibitions - 1978, 1998, 2000), no one who arrives at the Cathedral in Turin during a Shroud exhibition is ever turned away. Still, if you plan to see the Shroud in 2010, I urge you to make reservations for the dates you are in Turin as soon as possible.

Shroud.com

[MHGinTN]

Thanks so much for the ping and the heads up fo the Discovery Channel program on the 30th at 9PM, EST. Once I run my errands today, I intend on reading this entire thread. Freepers have such diverse and interesting knowledge to share!

[nina0113]

I’m not booking the trip until after Steve’s surgery (Good Friday, of all days!), in case something happens to delay it, but thanks for the info.

[maine-iac7]

What you said! and said much gentler than I have been tempted to say for years here on FR when the subject of the Shroud comes up. (I may steal/store it for future posting ;o)...)

It irritates the heck out of me when people spout off out of total ignorance in their unjustified faith in their own intelligence. They should take some time- preferably years - in researching the subject before expounding. (Myself, I am far from an expert. But I have been following The Shroud for 50 years, mainly, as I mentioned before, from the art angle.)

One that particularly irks me, again from the art side of the equation, is that it was obviously a Medieval forgery - and yet NO ONE has, with all our modern day expertise and science, been able to duplicate it, althoug one must give them A for effort - twisted and convoluted as they are..

The most inane it the “da Vinci did it”. I agree that daVinci was ahead of his time as to intelligence and talent, but, good grief, even if one wants to believe the flawed carbon dating for age, that still puts it hundreds of years before daVinci was born. I doubt even he was that talented. ;o)

There is NO excuse for these ignorant and arrogant refutations of the Shroud spouted out of thin air (the kind between two ears of some people) when research today is at our fingertips. Even a cursory, quick GOOGLE could enlighten them enough to a least question their knee-jerk suppositions, slowing them down long enough to maybe bestir themselves to further investigation before solidifying their less than expert judgment.

So thank you for responding to some of these irritating postings in such a succinct way. I have wanted to for years - but would not have been so diplomatic.

I have been following Barrie's site/work since he first went on line and corresponded for some time - he is most open and kind. He has done a herculean job and a great work...so valuable.

[blackpacific]

Thanks for the link, here it is:
http://www.shroud.com/piczek.htm

[Nea Wood]

Your posts to this thread are absolutely fascinating. Thank you for them.

[trisham]

It's also important to note that a medieval forger would have had NO KNOWLEDGE that there even were different blood types, nor would he have known that science would one day be able to determine whether or not blood came from a living person or a dead person. In fact, a medieval forger wouldn't have even considered it important to use human blood.

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Excellent points. We take all of that for granted these days, but in the past it was a complete mystery.

[wagglebee]

I would venture to guess that any DNA analysis of the blood on the Shroud would yield no DNA map. Scientific analysis of Eucharistic miracles, from all over the world, yield the following results: blood type AB, tissue type heart muscle from the sinoatrial node region, DNA mapping = empty set.

I had forgotten about the blood types from the Eucharistic miracles. It would have been IMPOSSIBLE for medieval hoaxers to have done this. Blood groups were totally unknown until 1900 and the AB types are very rare to begin with.

As I said last night, people trying to pull of a hoax in the Middle Ages would only have been trying to fool their contemporaries and in the Middle Ages ALL BLOOD LOOKED THE SAME.

[wagglebee]

See my post below.

[VRWCer]

Thank you so much for posting something so beautiful and precious, which I never knew existed. How apropos for it to be posted so close to Holy Week! God Bless.

[trisham]

Interesting. What about the wound in his side, though?

[trisham]

Thanks! Excellent observations!

[trisham]

When I look at that likeness and compare it to the Shroud, it seems to comfirm the possibility of a broken nose in the image on the Shroud.

[trisham]

Well said.

[wagglebee]

The wound in His side did not break bones:

36 For these things were done, that the scripture might be fulfilled: You shall not break a bone of him. 37 And again another scripture saith: They shall look on him whom they pierced. (John 19:36-37)