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To: betty boop
"And this "testimony" of Eloi Cole, "a strangely dressed young man" who time travels in his spare time, has relevance to our discussion of NDEs — HOW?"

It's testimony. Are you saying that you only accept some testimony, where the particulars support some preferred claim? This guy Cole risked all out death, not just near death!

"Especially when Eloi's "testimony" has nothing to do with the problems engaged by the testimonies of such as John of the Cross, or Theresa of Avila?"

I don't see a free unlimited supply of Kit-Kats as being problematic. Nevertheless, I see the creativness of a wandering inventive mind.

"You are screening out evidence here — Eloi's, John's, and Theresa's alike."

Yep. The "evidence" is testimony htat conflicts with reality.

"If you're not doing this for personal jollies, why on earth are you doing it?"

Jollies-yeah that's it! Anyone that challenges the value of testimonials as valid evidence is after jollies? Standing up for truth and putting pure testimony about other worlds, that conflicts with reality, in it's proper place as fiction is important.

51 posted on 04/05/2010 4:10:18 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets; betty boop
Nevertheless, I see the creativness of a wandering inventive mind.

People hallucinate. When they begin to believe their hallucinations they create delusional beliefs in the magical world that doesn't exist except, apparently, in their heads.

Standing up for truth and putting pure testimony about other worlds, that conflicts with reality, in it's proper place as fiction is important.

Absolutely. Otherwise we will operate in a Harry Potter type of the world.

54 posted on 04/05/2010 6:53:10 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: spunkets; MarkBsnr; Alamo-Girl; Forest Keeper; calex59; James C. Bennett; hosepipe; Quix; metmom
Standing up for truth and putting pure testimony about other worlds, that conflicts with reality, in it's proper place as fiction is important.

Well jeepers, we're so lucky to have you around, to set the record straight!

A fiction that has been perpetrated over millennia, and believed by billions of human beings, really ought to be stamped out.

Of course, to say this means that billions of human beings have been totally wrong about the way they see and actually experience their world. Just some more "witness testimony" that needs expunging, I guess.

But who made yours the signally "annointed vision" that shall finally establish the truth of reality, in light of the fact that human beings (in your judgment) have so miserably failed to do so down the ages? And it is only in the post-modern age that human beings are finally getting the hang of doing this "right?"

Do you want to expunge all of human experience and history on this basis, too, spunkets — or only that part of it that deals with God?

Sigh....

87 posted on 04/06/2010 12:40:31 PM PDT by betty boop (The personal is not the public's business. See: the Ninth Amendment.)
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