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To: betty boop
Also unlike angels — who seemingly are programmed to unfailingly execute God's Will without a second thought, as it were — ensouled humans have been granted free will.

Negative.

Revelation: 1 1 A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman 2 clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth. 3 3 Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, 4 with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems. 4 Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. 5 Her child was caught up to God and his throne. 6 The woman herself fled into the desert where she had a place prepared by God, that there she might be taken care of for twelve hundred and sixty days. 6 7 7 Then war broke out in heaven; Michael 8 and his angels battled against the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back, 8 but they did not prevail and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 The huge dragon, the ancient serpent, 9 who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceived the whole world, was thrown down to earth, and its angels were thrown down with it. 10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have salvation and power come, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Anointed. For the accuser 10 of our brothers is cast out, who accuses them before our God day and night. 11 They conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; love for life did not deter them from death. 12 Therefore, rejoice, you heavens, and you who dwell in them. But woe to you, earth and sea, for the Devil has come down to you in great fury, for he knows he has but a short time." 13 When the dragon saw that it had been thrown down to the earth, it pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle, 11 so that she could fly to her place in the desert, where, far from the serpent, she was taken care of for a year, two years, and a half-year. 15 The serpent, 12 however, spewed a torrent of water out of his mouth after the woman to sweep her away with the current. 16 But the earth helped the woman and opened its mouth and swallowed the flood that the dragon spewed out of its mouth. 17 Then the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God's commandments and bear witness to Jesus. 13 (18) It took its position 14 on the sand of the sea.

Lucifer rebelled against God. Free will. He took 1/3 of all the angels with him. More free will. These 1/3 of all angels had more than second thoughts. They had the ability to rebel against God in the same way that we can as well.

The entire point of Judgment Day — it seems to me — is the separation of the wheat from the chaff, the gathering in of God's faithful beloved. Those souls who chose another path — e.g., a falling away into the Satanic "gravitational field," so to speak — probably face a pretty serious situation at that point.

That is much more in line with Christian beliefs.

58 posted on 04/05/2010 7:36:19 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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Lucifer rebelled against God. Free will. He took 1/3 of all the angels with him. More free will. These 1/3 of all angels had more than second thoughts. They had the ability to rebel against God in the same way that we can as well.

Well then go for it, MarkBsnr! :^)

My point about angels being "seemingly ... programmed to unfailingly execute God's will" neglected to include the important advectival modifer, "faithful"; as in the 2/3 of angels who did not rebel but chose to be faithful to God instead.

Do you find this in any way inconsistent with the doctrine of free will? In the end, it really does seem to boil down to a choice of master. Satan said, Non serviam. I will not serve God, thinking to become his own "master" thereby.

Is this the example you choose to follow? If so, Satan becomes your "master." You might think that "liberation" from God sets you "free to be you."

But that expectation does not work, even for Satan himself. That Non serviam transformed him from "Prince of Light" into a degraded, hideous, monstrously vengeful and blood-thiirsty beast who declares himself to be the implacable enemy of man. Yet the promise "kill God so you can be free" is what Satan whispers in your ear. Although he is the father of lies, you believe him. Thus, HE becomes your "master." And you will henceforth live in a lie....

84 posted on 04/06/2010 12:20:16 PM PDT by betty boop (The personal is not the public's business. See: the Ninth Amendment.)
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