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To: kosta50
Oy, you still don't get it. We don't value pleasure, we value that which gives us pleasure.

I get that, you've certainly repeated it enough.

What you don't yet get, or have lost, is that we have a choice to value something other than that which gives us pleasure.

This potential makes us, unlike other animals, human.

309 posted on 04/25/2010 10:20:46 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
I get that, you've certainly repeated it enough.

Obviously you don't get it because otherwise you wouldn't be saying what you are saying.

What you don't yet get, or have lost, is that we have a choice to value something other than that which gives us pleasure.

No we don't. We value everything and anything that gives us pleasure no matter what it is or how bizarre it may seem. It can be anything, an idea, ideal, social acceptance, wealth, ego, power, etc. All these things are valued by different people because they give them a "feel good" about themselves as moral, patriotic, honest, dedicated, etc. people.

However, it can all be reduced to "feels good."

This potential makes us, unlike other animals, human

Nope. The animals do the same thing,. Their repertoire is somewhat different and limited compared to ours.

Animals make choices too, if they are in a situation to make them. What makes us different and unique among animals is that we can actually sometimes create our choices.

This potential makes us, unlike other animals, human

Wrong again. What makes us human is the language. Not only are we anatomically capable of speaking, a unique difference compared to other species, we also have more than inarticulated sounds in our sound system; We have a structured language, a unique system of communication that no other animal species is capable of.

316 posted on 04/25/2010 11:32:47 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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