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To: D-fendr
You can't define something as its opposite.

Really? Why don't you ask a masochist what's so great about hanging on meat hooks?

And no, not because it hurts, but in spite of it hurting

You are making things up. Masochists crave pain because it gives them pleasure. In the end if something is perceived as "feels good" it's "feels good" whether it's pain or not.

Hypothetically, would you still care for your children if it brought you nothing pleasurable?

No I wouldn't. I am not a masochist. Love is a two-way street in my world. Apparently not in yours. Why feed the dog who bites you? That's stupid and masochistic in my book.

317 posted on 04/25/2010 11:42:06 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: kosta50
Really? Why don't you ask a masochist what's so great about hanging on meat hooks?

Please if words mean their opposite, it's quite impossible to discuss. We can assume that in the extreme case of masochism, hanging on meat hooks is pleasurable. It has no bearing on the discussion.

Masochists crave pain because it gives them pleasure. In the end if something is perceived as "feels good" it's "feels good" whether it's pain or not.

So we can say that pain feels good to a masochist. He still can choose otherwise (not pleasure) and the argument remains the same.

Love is a two-way street in my world. Apparently not in yours.

No such thing as unrequited love in your world. Well, there goes a lot of good literature.

Why feed the dog who bites you?

Perhaps you don't want it to starve. And if it's not a dog, but a human, your child hypothetically, would you see it any differently?

320 posted on 04/27/2010 9:41:27 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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