[kosta50]

Experimental psychology has shown that people and animals choose what is perceived as rewarding. We set our goals as rewards. Our desires are based on what feels good. I know you live in denial about this, but the statistically "normal" (those within two standard deviations) do not follow, do or pursue things that are perceived as hurtful, damaging or deleterious.

yes, we do have other values. They either make us avoid things or ignore them. They are not on our free will repertoire.

[D-fendr]

Experimental psychology has shown that people and animals choose what is perceived as rewarding

Two problems. First: Doesn't logically follow that people cannot choose something for no reward whatsoever. You can do this experiment for yourself.

Second problem: Rewarding does not necessarily mean "feels good."

We set our goals as rewards.

Not necessarily. Goals can just be goals.

Our desires are based on what feels good.>/i>

Desire≠values.

[D-fendr]

They are not on our free will repertoire.

What is?

[D-fendr]

the statistically "normal" (those within two standard deviations) do not follow, do or pursue things that are perceived as hurtful, damaging or deleterious.

To whom? Always themselves only? And why not just stop at "hurtful" or just not "feels good."?

[D-fendr]

I think part of this can be boiled down into selfishness. You're, I believe, saying that even if we don't behave selfishly, we're behaving selfishly because we want to not behave selfishly.

I say that gets pretty loose with the meaning of words, and ends the same place.

[stfassisi]

Our desires are based on what feels good.

I disagree with this,dear brother.

I have desire for things that I would be willing to suffer for(not feeling good) my family and someone like you to return to the Orthodox faith and Eucharist