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Opus Dei Seeks to Make Everyday Life Holier
The Los Angeles Times ^ | 4/6/10 | Carla Hall

Posted on 04/07/2010 6:04:10 AM PDT by marshmallow

Members attend daily Mass and set aside prayer time. Not all engage in corporal mortification, and those who do say it's nothing like in 'The Da Vinci Code.'

Julia Boles, 46, lives in Arcadia with her lawyer husband and their nine children, ages 5 to 20. She also manages to attend Mass daily, set aside two times a day for prayer and, with her children, pray the rosary.

"People say, 'Nine kids? How do you handle that and go to Mass?' I say, 'How could I do this without the Mass?' "

Boles is a member of one of the most talked about, least understood Catholic organizations in the world: Opus Dei, which means "work of God" in Latin.

Although the face of Opus Dei in "The Da Vinci Code" is a murderous masochistic monk -- a fiction, the group's members say -- it is Boles who typifies the group's American demographic: She's a woman. The majority of the 190 members in L.A. are women, as are slightly more than half of the 3,000 members in the U.S.

There are no monks. And only 2% of the organization's nearly 90,000 members worldwide are priests, one of whom was Jose Gomez, the newly named successor as archbishop to Cardinal Roger Mahony. Gomez is the only priest to come up through Opus Dei who has been made a U.S. bishop.

Yet, even ignoring the distortions of "The Da Vinci Code," critics have pointed to the group's historic connection to right-leaning governments and its secretiveness. Brian Finnerty, spokesman for Opus Dei in the U.S., said the group takes no political positions.

Seton Hall law professor John Coverdale said the organization's goal is to offer lay Christians a path toward a holier life, without becoming a priest or a nun.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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The LA Times seemingly curious about what makes the new bishop tick.

I think they've figured out that the Mahony era is about to come to an abrupt end.

1 posted on 04/07/2010 6:04:10 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

The LA Times is terrified of the New Bishop


2 posted on 04/07/2010 6:11:13 AM PDT by Cheverus
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To: Cheverus
Oh no!! He may encourage his flock to pray and commit random acts of corporeal mercy!! The horror, the horror!
3 posted on 04/07/2010 7:04:10 AM PDT by constitutiongirl ("Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal."---Leo Tolstoy)
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To: marshmallow

I have a friend from South America who was part of this movement, and lived in a convent. She was abused, and when she tried to escape they gave her horse tranquilizers to keep her captive. Some time later, after she left that dangerous group, she came to Christ and is now married. I don’t have much respect for Opus Dei.


4 posted on 04/07/2010 7:21:14 AM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Theo
Nobody in Opus Dei lives in a "convent," although that might be just the name she gave to the house she was living in.

Nuns live in a convent. There are no Opus Dei monks or nuns, contrary to what Dan Brown might have you believe.

There are celibate members, called "numeraries," who may or may not live with other numeraries of the same sex. There are also non-celibate members, called "supernumeraries".

As you can probably tell, I have tremendous respect for Opus Dei.

5 posted on 04/07/2010 8:01:46 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: marshmallow

It’s not a bad idea to have an order for laypeople, but not this one. Another exclusive organization to feel superior about, like talking in Latin.


6 posted on 04/07/2010 8:13:28 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

Nothing “exclusive” about it, AFAIK.


7 posted on 04/07/2010 8:19:33 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Campion

Except that you have to be invited to join. Weren’t you aware of that?


8 posted on 04/07/2010 8:25:33 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: marshmallow

Opus Dei Seeks to Make Everyday Life Holier THAN THOU.

Fixed it.


9 posted on 04/07/2010 8:35:17 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: firebrand
Except that you have to be invited to join. Weren’t you aware of that?

I had a friend in Opus Dei. Never any mention of being invited to join.

The only thing I didn't like about it was that she didn't have as much time to hang out, shop, do lunch as before because the requirements of Opus Dei took so much of her time. Praying, Adoration, Daily Mass-those works of God things.

Though I was glad for the peace, holiness, and order it brought into her life, I, being a selfish jerk was not happy that it took time from our friendship and all the gossipy, running around stuff that was replaced by Opus Dei.

10 posted on 04/07/2010 8:49:07 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: Campion

I don’t know anything about what Dan Brown has said. I only know that my friend considered herself a nun, and was kept in a convent against her will, and drugged when she tried to escape. She *did* escape, in a drugged state, to a friend’s home. She eventually made it to the States, free from that group.

This is **first hand** information, not something I read somewhere or something a friend of a friend told me. This is Maria’s personal experience in the convent-like home she stayed in in Latin America.

Perhaps you weren’t personally aware of the abuse that takes place within such Opus Dei homes.


11 posted on 04/07/2010 8:52:00 AM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: firebrand
Except that you have to be invited to join.

Are you sure?

12 posted on 04/07/2010 8:52:26 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Cheverus

**The LA Times is terrified of the New Bishop**

LOL! What Bishop doesn’t attend daily Mass?

And to think, he might encourage the faithful of LA to attend daily Mass too? Horrors! (/sarcasm off

They are graspoing at straws.

Pray for Archbishop Gomez!


13 posted on 04/07/2010 8:52:47 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Campion; firebrand
NOT true. I lived in an Opus Dei house for a summer, and no, I was not INVITED. I could have become a numerary if I chose to do so.

One thing I do find about talking to Opus Dei members is that most think that the flood of Mexican/Central American immigrants are "good" for America, even if they at the same time condemn the Islamist invasion of Europe. I should point, out, however, that these are the personal opinions of the members I've known over the years, NOT official DOGMA.

14 posted on 04/07/2010 8:55:42 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: firebrand
Sorry, I misread what you wrote as, "Except that you haven't been invited to join".

Most/all stuff that Opus Dei does, in my experience, is open to anyone who shows up, and in fact, most of the people I know who are involved have no formal, official relationship to Opus Dei.

Anyone who wants to go to a retreat can sign up. Anyone who shows up at holy hour is welcomed. Etc.

Someone has to be "invited" to be a supernumerary in the same way and sense that someone has to be "invited" to join a religious order. It's a vocation discernment process.

15 posted on 04/07/2010 8:58:07 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Clemenza

You were invited if you lived in the house. Not everyone can join. People got to know you first (and then how could they resist? : )

The door should be open if it is a Christian thing. No tickets to Saint Patrick’s (well, except for special events).


16 posted on 04/07/2010 9:01:58 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Theo
Your friend was either a nun, or she wasn't. If she was, she wasn't involved in Opus Dei.

One anecdotal report of abuse doesn't make me "aware of the abuse that takes place in such homes". One report is just that, one report.

17 posted on 04/07/2010 9:02:59 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: firebrand

What I meant to say is that I went to daily prayers after contacting the Midtown Center in Chicago, volunteered for activities, and then went to live in the house. I got along wonderfully with the priests, less so with the lay members (aside from a very good friend).


18 posted on 04/07/2010 9:04:37 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Campion; Clemenza
From the article:

Donlan, 72, says people interested in joining are shepherded through stages of determining whether they are truly committed to this intense way of daily life.

Campion, you say as much in reply 15.

I know people who are real snotty about belonging to it. Totally antithetical to the Christian spirit, which is catholic in the lower-case sense of the word.

I have often thought there should be communal dwellings for laypeople who are interested in such a thing. That would be nice. It would mean you don't have to make a choice between (1) forming a traditional family if you don't want to, or (2) living alone, or (3) living with roommates who fight about the orange juice. You can live with other Christians and go about your lay vocation. Wow. A Christian way of life that does not add to the population! (or require a vow a celibacy). It couldn't be exclusive but it would have to have rules.

19 posted on 04/07/2010 9:17:18 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Campion

She was part of Opus Dei, and lived in a group home with other women, and she was abused by the head of the home, and drugged with horse tranquilizers to prevent her from leaving. She explained to me that such abuse was common, and systemic. Again, this is **first hand** information, not mere “anecdote” heard from “somewhere.”

Just because the facts don’t jibe with your notions about Opus Dei doesn’t mean that the facts should be dismissed.


20 posted on 04/07/2010 9:25:21 AM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Theo

Why is it that your friend’s experiences are “facts” and mine are “notions”? Do you see a disconnect there, because I sure do.


21 posted on 04/07/2010 9:32:19 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: firebrand
I know people who are real snotty about belonging to it. Totally antithetical to the Christian spirit

I agree. But it's odd what you describe, because O.D. has a reputation for being "secretive" because -- as it was explained to me -- members are supposed to be Catholics first, not "Opus Dei members" or "Opus Dei Catholics", and therefore not in-your-face about their involvement. Being elitist about it is to miss the whole point.

22 posted on 04/07/2010 9:37:50 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Theo

Oh, and BTW — why didn’t she go to the police? What she describes would be illegal six ways to Sunday in the US.


23 posted on 04/07/2010 9:38:49 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Campion

I guess some people miss the point, whatever that is. There is always the temptation to form exclusive groups for no other reason but to be exclusive. For people who are not worthy enough in their own minds and need to be “special.”


24 posted on 04/07/2010 9:40:51 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Campion

Yes, I too see a disconnect. My friend’s experiences are facts because they truly happened, and were systemic within that home.

Do you personally know any person who was “on the inside” living in celibate community? Or are you only going by what you read?

Please tell me that you do not affirm the abuse she and others within that home experienced.


25 posted on 04/07/2010 9:57:35 AM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Campion

As I said, she was not in the US. She was in Latin America.


26 posted on 04/07/2010 9:59:46 AM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Theo
Do you personally know any person who was “on the inside” living in celibate community?

Several of them.

systemic within that home

Oh, I thought you meant "systemic within Opus Dei", and were making a claim about a world-wide organization based on one person's experience.

Please tell me that you do not affirm the abuse she and others within that home experienced

Not sure what you mean by that, sorry.

I still think she should have gone to the police. Even in Latin America, they have laws against kidnapping and giving drugs to people outside of a medical setting.

27 posted on 04/07/2010 10:07:09 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Campion

My friend (and others living in that home with her) was abused in many ways through Agnus Dei, and yet you seem to have no compassion for her, only defending Agnus Dei. That sounds like you affirm abuse. Just saying what it looks like.

I’ve asked her to provide me more detailed narrative of what happened. If you’re open to hearing, that may help you better understand the dark side of Agnus Dei.

To be clear, Jesus is in no way abusive or “dark.” But some organizations that claim His name certainly are — wielding a heavy hand to exert control over their members.


28 posted on 04/07/2010 9:29:02 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Theo

“...through Agnus Dei, and yet you seem to have no compassion for her, only defending Agnus Dei...”

I think you are confused about what exactly it is your friend was involved with.

This thread is about OPUS DEI.


29 posted on 04/08/2010 1:23:22 AM PDT by clockwise
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To: Theo
That sounds like you affirm abuse. Just saying what it looks like.

Then I suggest you re-read the Religion Forum guidelines on "mind-reading" other members, and why it's prohibited behavior.

"Affirming abuse" still doesn't make any sense. Affirm that it occurred? Affirm that it's a good thing? Obviously I don't think it's a "good thing".

yet you seem to have no compassion for her

No, I just don't find her story very believable. That's not a "Catholic thing"; any time I hear an adult complain that they'd had this and that illegal act committed against them, but never bothered to go to the police, I have trouble giving them much credibility.

And "Agnus Dei" (Latin for "Lamb of God") is the hymn that is sung at Mass before the distribution of communion.

"Opus Dei" (Latin for "Work of God") is an organization founded to help lay Catholics lead holier lives, principally by reflecting on their station in Christ as adopted sons and daughters of God through grace.

30 posted on 04/08/2010 6:47:07 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: clockwise

Typo. Of course I meant Opus Dei.


31 posted on 04/08/2010 8:06:24 AM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Campion

As I just explained to someone else “Agnus Dei” was a typo. Of course I meant “Opus Dei.”


32 posted on 04/08/2010 8:07:26 AM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Campion; clockwise

You can read my friend’s testimony here:

http://www.odan.org/tw_deception_and_drugs.htm

Or you can ignore it completely and continue as you are in joyous ignorance.

May Jesus increase. May Rome — and all the false religions that emanate from it, including Roman Catholicism — decrease and go to hell.


33 posted on 04/11/2010 9:06:30 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Theo

OOPS. Looks like Theo stuck her finger in the light socket.
The overtime works of the anti-Catholics are usually electric and turn out poorly for them as they predictably go over the cliff.

I love the little I have seen of Opus Dei. The priests among them are stand outs, and I hope Gomez will do very well in L.A. diocese.


34 posted on 03/19/2011 9:43:54 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: RitaOK

You’re a bit late to the party, aren’t you?

I reject your curse, in the name of Jesus Christ.


35 posted on 03/20/2011 12:26:21 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Theo

You’re a bit late to the party, aren’t you? I reject your curse, in the name of Jesus Christ.” ====

Oh, please. I am not in to curses, and your rank ignorance is not curse material. Now take your finger out of the light socket.


36 posted on 03/20/2011 3:23:40 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: Theo

You’re a bit late to the party, aren’t you? I reject your curse, in the name of Jesus Christ.” ====

Oh, please. I am not in to curses, and your rank ignorance is not curse material. Now take your finger out of the light socket.


37 posted on 03/20/2011 3:23:47 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: RitaOK; Theo
Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

38 posted on 03/21/2011 8:11:54 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator; Admin Moderator

I think you’re right in speaking to the form and substance of posting and “making it personal”. I do know better and will try to avoid both the snarkers and snarking.

That being said, I am the new Religion Moderator since I have a seal from Hallmark for their envelopes. They are gold and embossed.


39 posted on 03/21/2011 10:43:57 AM PDT by RitaOK
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