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Baptism, Confirmation, The Eucharist -- the Sacraments of Initiation
1 posted on 04/22/2010 9:55:26 PM PDT by Salvation
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2 posted on 04/22/2010 9:56:34 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Thanks for the invite :)


3 posted on 04/22/2010 9:58:02 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Salvation

excellent. Thanks.


9 posted on 04/23/2010 12:29:53 AM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: Salvation
Okay since this seems to be an open thread I'll ask the following: Has it occured to you that...

G-d would never have an affair with a human woman? Take a mans wife. Have a hybrid god-man child out of wedlock. Take this hybrid child and offer him as a human sacrifice after expressly telling humans he hates human sacrifice.

Mislead humanity for nearly 2000 years by telling them to follow the Torah, telling humanity He is alone, besides him there is NO other, no other saviour....then say...Hey! just proving a point there! You cant do the Torah! And I am really NOT alone! Beside me is my Son, a hybrid god-man! And if you dont believe in him....you're going to hell!

20 posted on 04/23/2010 2:29:37 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: Salvation

Please put a “caucus” title on apologetics. Pretty please.


97 posted on 04/26/2010 3:54:52 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: Salvation

I have no trouble with the Real Presence of Christ Jesus in holy Communion.

I do have trouble with the term, and assumptions therein, of “transubstantiation.” Transubstantiation was developed in the high middle ages when Aristotle was (newly) introduced to the Western Church.

Aristotle, and his philosophy, had about the same level of respect in the Academic world of AD 1200 as Darwin does today...that is pretty much sacrosanct. Of course the Academy of 1200 was that of the official Roman Catholic Church. Transubstiation assumes Aristotle’s concept of the nature reality—namely that, contra Plato, the being or essence of something remains within it—though it cannot be separated out from appearances, or “accidents”, to use the philosophical term. Accidents and substance had to match though....according to Aristotle.

To try to figure out how the bread and wine still looked like bread and wine, the scholastics innovated on Aristotle, and speculated that perhaps substance and accidents could well be different....by miracle, of course. Therefore, transubstantiation was born....where substance and appearance (accidents) are miraculously made different in the Mass.

Yes, it’s a neat theory...highly philosophical and technical talk about substance and appearance.....which the Bible is entirely silent about.

Last I checked though, Aristotle was a pagan Greek, living centuries before Christ....who knew next to nothing about Yahweh.... Therefore I’m highly skeptical about accepting Aristotle’s way of understanding the nature of things—especially since Scripture doesn’t speak to his philosophy.

Jesus is really present, just like He said—well proven above. I am content in not understanding how...and leaving His genuine Real Presence in holy Communion where scripture does, a mystery.


130 posted on 04/26/2010 12:06:46 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (Anglican, Luther-lover...)
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