Posted on 04/23/2010 1:25:04 PM PDT by NYer
But Hitler, well, he was something else, and it took Rome a few years to figure out what. Many Catholics never did, including bishops. Some, looking at the way that he was savaging the Catholic Poles, began to see what they were up against. I have read several times about Franco. No angel, but he refused to let the Germans take Gibraltar, without which the Allies would have lost the Mediterranean. I have read that he did so on the advice of Salazar, who realized what sort of people the Nazis wereand because of Portugal's historic relation with England, Let them him Gilbraltar, and you will be only a puppet. I have also read the story that Franco has a Jewish grandmother. That concentrates the mind when you know that the Nazis really were crazy on the issue of race.
This is just as much a Psych problem as a Church problem.
Nicely said, netmilsmom!!
It was a systemic, criminal conspiracy reaching to at least national levels of the Church.
I believe your story, and I'm sorry for your friend's horrific experience. I'm sure you thank God daily you got scared...
Problem is sexual abuse of children--and teen age boys--has gone on for centuries in every institution which dealt with them--NOT just the Roman Catholic Church.
I don't know where I saw it, but it's been documented that higher rates of sexual abuse occur in public school now, than have ever occurred in the Church...yet no great media campaign exists to root that out.
Similarly, Protestant churches also have their share of perverts--particularly now, when mainline denominations are purposely ordaining practicing homosexuals.... It is downright disgusting, and frightening, frankly.
I don't doubt your, other's experience in this...but the story is NOT new, and the Roman Catholic Church has been dealing with it very directly, at least since the 1980s. I'm certainly not saying you or other victims have ulterior motives.
The political question to me though--about the media, is why all the raising of the issue now...with this pope? It seems clear that certain world-power brokers really don't like Benedict at all, and are doing everything they can to subvert him personally, and damage the Church generally.
I'm saying this too, as a happy Protestant...but someone also who respects Benedict a great deal.
That includes everyone, but you don't hear that argument made only for Catholic Priests. If this problem was solely in the Catholic Church, then I or my children would be safe anywhere outside the Church. The fact is children are not even safe in their beds today.
That includes everyone, but you don't hear that argument made only for Catholic Priests. If this problem was solely in the Catholic Church, then I or my children would be safe anywhere outside the Church. The fact is children are not even safe in their beds today.
Yes, it included everyone, in your church or in any organization, not to excuse the public crimes as well! The problem, as I see it, is the cover-up by the Hierarchy of your church, as well as the transfer of criminals to other places to prey on unsuspecting people they are to minister to. It's sad, real sad :-(
Sorry, I don’t see that...where is the cover-up? The stories of sexual abuse within the church are posted here 24/7. I see more of a cover-up of the other churches...sort of lets look the otherway and pretend it doesn’t happen.
Reality, psychiatry was something people believed in back then, we now know that mentally ill people are sick and they can’t be cured by talking.
Here it is.
It is appalling that FRoman Catholics use the behavior of the secular world to somehow downplay the sins of the church.
Hey, compared to public schools we aren't so bad! is a pathetic defense.
Another thing I would add is that alcoholism isn’t caused by psychic pain per se, it is simply addiction to alcohol. I grew up with people making excuses for alcoholism...”He was in the Bataan Death March”, “He was a medic in WWII”, His mom and dad treated him badly.”
And then I married one and ended up surrounded by many, he had no more psychic pain than the next guy, he just loved his booze. They love to have their excuses. I really don’t know if it is genetics or personality or irresponsibility, and I know that they use alcohol to deal with life.
There are millions of non-alcoholics who have dealt with the same bad things that alcoholics have dealt with and they did it w/o alcohol. I know more than several people who have drunk themselves to death, some grew up in bad homes and some grew up in homes of privlege but all of them had a parent, or uncle or aunt who were active alcoholics.
I just know that the alcoholics I know used anything they could for an excuse and their enablers let them. As for me, I spent 6 years in Al-anon and my husband has been sober for 25 years.
The thing that makes the Catholic Church, or any church for that matter, more responsible in this kind of situation, it the moral teachings that it adheres to.
Morality is defined by God in Scripture and any church which lays claim to the Bible as its basis has NO excuse at all for tolerating that kind of behavior from it’s leadership or membership.
They KNOW it’s wrong and it is reprehensible for any church to champion itself as moral gatekeepers and not deal with sin within itself.
Any church worth its salt needs to be the first to set the example. It ought to step up and own the problem and deal with it immediately and decisively, no ifs, ands, or buts. The perpetrator should IMMEDIATELY be removed from office or position and appropriate disciplinary measures taken and measures taken to ensure that this kind of thing does not happen again by the person involved, and measures taken to try to prevent it from happening by someone else.
Anything less is a complete betrayal of trust. That the Catholic Church did not take that kind of action whenever a situation like this came to their attention is inexcusable.
Acts Acts 5
1Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.
3Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God.”
5When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6Then the young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.
7About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?”
“Yes,” she said, “that is the price.”
9Peter said to her, “How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.”
10At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.
Absolutely astounding. RCs should be ashamed of themselves for this kind of non-defense.
Everyone's out of step but Rome.
And how did the Nazis know? How else? Because the SA guys were sharing boys with the priests.
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