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Popular Galt Pastor Mary Sanders leaves after church votes to secede... { ELCA }
Lodi News-Sentinel ^ | 4/26/10 | Ross Farrow

Posted on 04/26/2010 2:16:51 PM PDT by SmithL

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To: muawiyah

Has it occurred to you that both could be true? I have no reason to doubt a female single ‘pastor’ in ELCA when she says she believes the pro-gay vote ELCA took was “Spirit-led”.


21 posted on 04/26/2010 3:12:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Follow the money.


22 posted on 04/26/2010 3:18:37 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: Secret Agent Man

Did you hear her explanation? She agrees with the pro-gay vote. She said she thinks God made the vote turn out that way.

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I agree with her to an extent. I believe God did “allow” the vote to turn out that way, but not for reasons the supporters may think. It’s been my experience over the years that the LORD often allows these sort of things to happen to help his servants see what’s going on and to allow us to make the proper decisions for our lives. As in my case, I left the ELCA and now attend a biblically sound Wisconsin Synod church.


23 posted on 04/26/2010 3:42:50 PM PDT by Softballmom
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To: SmithL

Who gets a severance package when they quit?


24 posted on 04/26/2010 3:52:28 PM PDT by DManA
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To: SmithL
They couldn't find a member to ask?

Mattie Shepherd, who said she isn't a church member

25 posted on 04/26/2010 3:53:28 PM PDT by DManA
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To: SmithL

The ELCA died when they allowed women to become pastors.


26 posted on 04/26/2010 3:56:50 PM PDT by upsdriver (ret.)
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To: DManA
They couldn't find a member to ask?

Perhaps they couldn't find one that was critical of the vote.

27 posted on 04/26/2010 4:00:09 PM PDT by aberaussie
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To: AnalogReigns

And what is the ‘orientation’ of this particular priestess, I wonder...


28 posted on 04/26/2010 5:19:39 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: SmithL

Call me olf fashioned, but I believe the role of the Pastor according to THE BIBLE is supposed to be filled by a man anyway.


29 posted on 04/26/2010 5:21:02 PM PDT by vpintheak (Love of God, Family and Country has made me an extremist.)
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To: upsdriver
"The ELCA died when they allowed women to become pastors."

It is interesting to note that every denomination that has allowed female Pastors has gone on to full blown liberalism. It seems to always be the first step to apostasy. Next comes the "social Gospel", then comes the acceptance of the sin of homosexuality and finally the denial of Christ being the exclusive path to salvation. Once a Church starts conforming to the world to gain social acceptance it's end is inevitable.

30 posted on 04/27/2010 5:03:50 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SmithL

Madam Pastor apparently wasn’t too “popular”.


31 posted on 04/27/2010 6:06:20 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: SmithL
"I believe the spirit led the results of the vote.

Pr Sanders needs a sabbatical, during which she can contemplate, and hopefully discern, the difference between the Holy Spirit and the Zeitgeist.

32 posted on 04/27/2010 6:46:25 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: SmithL

“I also am convinced there is room in the body of Christ and the ELCA for a variety of understandings of Holy Scripture and questions about it. I am sorry that so many feel otherwise.”

This is what happens when a church no longer believes that the Scriptures teach THE truth, but that everyone is free to choose what is true for himself. The ELCA disregarded the prohibition against women pastors in Scriptures, so why should any of them be upset over the acceptance of practicing homosexuality? Once someone determines that they can pick and choose what they want and leave the rest, unity become impossible.
You do not make doctrine on whether or not you like someone: male, female, heterosexual or homosexual. You make it on objective principles. There is nothing more objective than, “God said.”


33 posted on 04/27/2010 4:53:30 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Secret Agent Man
Sandy Lindquist, president of Shepherd of the Valley's church council,

Problem two, women serving as council leaders in a church that has no Board of Elders.

34 posted on 04/27/2010 9:13:21 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids (Mugabi will look like Reagan when this thing is over with)
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To: Nosterrex

But really, where did “God say” women cannot be pastors?

*Paul* seemed to say it, but he also seemed to say it’s better not to marry; just “OK”. So why are we allowing pastors to marry if they are purveyors of God’s Word?

I sympathize with the traditional view, if only because women doing certain public services can be very impractical - when they get pregnant. But otherwise, I don’t know why.


35 posted on 04/30/2010 6:12:44 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
God chose only intact males to be priests.
Jesus chose only intact males to be his disciples.
Paul writes: “Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.”
“Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.”
The pastor or priest re-presents Christ (the bridegroom) to the congregation (the bride).
Jesus being male is not an accident, nor is the male gender of God the Father an accident. A female priestess or pastor will eventually turn God into a female or a hermaphrodite as we have seen happening in all the liberal denominations. The fastest way to turn a Christian church into a cult is having female pastors or priests. There is no prohibition against married clergy in the Scriptures. Peter was married. Paul does recommend a celibate life, but he does not command it. The teachings in the Scriptures is that a bishop or pastor have only one wife at a time. No such thing as a homosexual wife.
36 posted on 04/30/2010 2:13:26 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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Do you mean, as opposed to eunuchs? Do you KNOW that all the disciples were “entire”, as horse people say? I guess you don’t mean “uncircumcised”, because Jews were supposed to be circumcised, which isn’t intact in that sense.

Honestly, I don’t remember about “intact”.

As for Paul’s writings - again, that’s Paul, not God. And at the same time, women are written in that very section of the Bible as teaching their local groups. How does all this jibe?


37 posted on 04/30/2010 7:08:57 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

St. Paul is an apostle, and his writings are considered to be divinely inspired, God-breathed. He bases his teachings upon the order of creation as found in Genesis.
Priests had to be “whole,” which is associated with holiness. There was a controversy in the early church over Origin in which he was denied ordination because he had castrated himself. This was in keeping with the idea that the successors or the Apostles had to be whole males.
Where in the Bible are women teaching their local groups? Maybe I do not understand what you mean by “local groups.” Perhaps you can give me an example from the Scriptures?


38 posted on 04/30/2010 8:49:11 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex

I think I mistook what I remembered of women in early church (in Scripture). I thought there was something that said this and that woman were teaching, but maybe not. I think it was just that they were “helping” with the church in 1 way or other. 1 was a “deaconess”.

I was unaware of this “wholeness” for Christian men (much of Jewish rules went away, remember), and particularly this story of Paul castrating himself. So was he never “ordained” after all, or did they make an exception? In any case, apparently it didn’t matter in the big scheme of things.


39 posted on 05/01/2010 6:10:17 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Paul was not castrated, Origin castrated himself. He took St. Paul’s teaching about being a eunuch for the Lord literally. Origin was criticized for teaching the clergy, so he decided to become a priest, but because he was a eunuch, he was prohibited from being ordained; however, he found a bishop that did ordain him, and all hades broke loose. Three hundred years after his death, St. Cyril of Alexandria had Origin declared a heretic. Origin had a most unusual history.

In the Roman Catholic Church, the priesthood is connected with the priesthood of the Old Testament. As a Lutheran, we have a different understanding of the priesthood, and we do not see the pastoral office as a continuation of the Old Testament priesthood, but of the apostolic succession of doctrine. We do; however, have a much higher view of the Holy Ministry than you would find in most Protestant denominations.

Women were important in Jesus’ ministry and during the time of the apostles. There is indication from Paul’s writings that widows were to teaching the younger women how to be good wives and mothers. It is from this that deaconess or nuns probably developed in the later centuries.


40 posted on 05/01/2010 8:52:50 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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