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To: annalex
Why, I taste it quite often. Also, consecrated species were tested, I believe, a number of times. There is nothing against such inquiry.

Human imagination can create in their mind many sensations that are false. Smell an onion and taste a potato - it tasts like an onion.

He took bread, blessed it, made it His body and gave it to the disciples and they ate it. That's Mass.

He took bread, ate, and said it represented His body; same with the wine representing His blood - that's all. Christians do the same, and as Jesus said, do this in remembrance of Me; Paul explained that we do this to remember His death, burial and resurrection until He returns again - which we Christians do "whenever we get together." And for another thing, your "Mass" is no where near what Jesus said and did.

"Luke 22, as you specifically mention, doesn't record a thing about telling the Apostles to do the same as He did."

Sure it does:
Do this for a commemoration of me. (Luke 22:19)

What you specifically mentioned in a previous post is not found in that passage and verse. As for doing this as a memorial for Him we Christians do everytime we get together, just as Paul said.

They say that whoever sees or hears or receives a apostle sees, receives and hears Him. It also says that an Apostle is to Church what Christ is to the Father. Make what you will of it; baptist ministers He did not send.

Not being a "baptist", that is immaterial and that comment is way out of line: He also did not send "priests" per se, but Christians to spread His message of salvation. Who were the first ones to spread His message to the various nations? - read your Bible. Yes, whoever spreads the Good News, is, in a way, doing exactly what Jesus told Christians to do - or do you hide it under a basket? And, BTW, where in the Bible do you see that any Christian is to convert people to the Roman Catholic Church? Nowhere in the Bible do you find the Apostles or anyone spreading the Good News of Salvation telling converts to join a specific church!

Yes, we all should offer a sacrifice of ourselves; but the topic is the sacrifice of the Mass; that belongs to ordained priests alone, as we've seen.

Thanks for agreeing with me and the NT! But, nowhere are Christians told to create a "Mass" and do a "sacrifice" as part of it - especially to create a caste of "priests" to do it for them. BTW, your imagination may have "seen" it, but imaginations play havoc with the truth many times, and lead others down the broad road.

"You will never find that doctrine [of Transubstantiation] mentioned in the Bible, period!"

Not by word, but the phrase "this is my body" applied to bread expresses it.

Like I said, imagination and suppositions are not what Christians base their beliefs upon - they lead to superstitions and deceive gullible people.

Your turn :-)

26 posted on 05/03/2010 6:34:08 AM PDT by Ken4TA (The truth hurts those who don't like truth!)
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To: Ken4TA
Human imagination can create in their mind many sensations

I don't know what you are talking about. The Eucharist does taste like unleavened bread and wine. No illusions there. We can speculate why it pleased the Lord to make it so that it does not become His flesh also in taste and appearance, but that part the scripture does nto explain so we better leave it at that.

Christians do the same

No, priests do the same. Christian laity cannot give bread and say "This is the Body of Christ". The laity was not sent by Christ to "do this".

your "Mass" is no where near what Jesus said and did.

The Mass is exactly the same thing: prayers, readings from the scripture (that is the commemorative part), consecration of the Eucharist by the priest and eating it by all.

is not found in that passage

There you go again, denying plain scripture because it does not fit your man-made theology. What do you think "do this" means?

He also did not send "priests" per se, but Christians to spread His message of salvation

He sent His Church to do many things: consecrate the Eucharist ("do this", the part you are trying to ignore); forgive sins (John 20:23), ordain priests (1 Timothy 4:14), annoint the sick(James 5:14), baptize and teach (Mark 16:15-16). Teachign and baptising is the only part that can be done by anyone; the reast requires at least priestly ordination.

imagination and suppositions are not what Christians base their beliefs upon

All we do is hear Christ say "this is My body" and believe Him. We don't run away from the Holy Scripture -- we are Catholics.

28 posted on 05/03/2010 5:51:24 PM PDT by annalex
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