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To: teppe; Tennessee Nana; restornu; Paragon Defender
I happen to have an ancestor who was killed by Indians while immigrating to Idaho. A brother-in-law stepped in and married the widow as a second wife and raised her children as his own rather than letting her die on the prarie ... is this the kind of evil polygamy which you were referring to?

Are you honestly now telling me that the "pure religion" that the apostle James referenced -- of helping orphans & widows -- can only be accomplished by marrying them? (Really?) Your ancestor couldn't have supported this widow & orphans other than through the marriage route? Since when?

If polygamy is so completely evil, maybe you should try a religion who’s God has not supported polygamists in the past! I’m just asking for a little intellectual honesty from you .... is that so hard?

And I'm asking of you, Teppe, for a lot more intellectual consistency. If you think that God, by "supporting" Abraham and Jacob, that he was likewise endorsing polygamy...then...are you consistent?

I suppose you'll next tell us that God's approval of David meant that adultery can be institutionalized as well, eh? Or since God elevated Solomon, you're next going to advise we all take 700 wives & 300 concubines? Really? If not, why not?

Or what about Hosea? He was told by God to marry a prostitute, Gomer. And Gomer carried on her trade post marital covenant. Are you now telling all Mormon and Christian males that they should seek out active prostitutes, marry them, and let them carry on their trades in their homes? All because God told Hosea to do it -- which means, in your eyes, that God sanctions prostitution as a Mormon cottage industry? Really? Is that part of your "restoration" plans? Did the Christian church remove "many plain and precious things" from the New Testament -- additional "homes" carrying on Hosea and Gomer's tradition? And you're "out" to restore all of these "alternative" sexual traditions? Really?

I do object to Polygamy, but I have the intellectual honesty to admit that we worship the God of Polygamists (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob). So ... apparently, it must not be as evil as you say it is.

Come on Teppe. If this is your interpretation of polygamy, then do you likewise conclude that David's adultery "must not be as evil as you say it is"??? Do you likewise conclude that Gomer's prostitution activity occurring pre-and post marital covenant "must not be as evil as you say it is"? Or what about Solomon? Do you concluded that 700 wives & 300 concubines "must not be as evil as you say it is"? (Even though 1 Kings 11:3 & Nehemiah 13:26 & Deut. 17:17 tells us directly otherwise?)

You see, Teppe, your faulty interpretations are rooted in a faulty worldview. You concluded that first people need to do all they can do obedience wise, and then God comes and sanctions them, endorses them, sponsors them, etc. No. Jesus said, "For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." (Matt. 9:13)

Jesus specifically became a son of man to "support" sinners, Teppe. And, yes, that apparently was a "missing lesson" by your Sunday School and Seminary teachers!!!

And why, Teppe, do you reduce God's Word to merely what I "say it is"??? What? You don't trust God's Word at face value? You have to attribute it to me to downplay it? You don't believe Deut. 17:17; Lev. 18:18; 1 Kings 11:3; Or Nehemiah 13:26?

What about the Book of Mormon, Teppe? Do you take that as God's Word? Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord. (Jacob 2:24)

Direct Q: Is polygamy "abominable" to your thus "saith the Lord" god or not?

If you can't answer these questions directly and truthfully and consistently, then, yes, I'm going to call out your lack of intellectual integrity. And simultanously, I am going to respectfully request for a third apology from you -- this time for calling into question my "intellectual honesty." (I still haven't received the second apology from you I respectfully requested)

105 posted on 05/06/2010 10:37:32 AM PDT by Colofornian (Hmmm...no wonder Mormon women don't find female-oriented inspiration in the Book of Mormon!)
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To: Colofornian; restornu

So ... essentially your telling me that God made a mistake in condoning polygamists in the past .... and that he really didn’t intend to?

Maybe you should ask him for an apology, maybe it was just an honest mistake!


136 posted on 05/06/2010 11:29:43 AM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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