Posted on 05/08/2010 9:30:27 PM PDT by GonzoII
“Do either of you think God cares about this? Does Jesus?”
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Without question!
The “practice of religion” has nothing whatsoever to do with Christ. - Christ is not religion; he is the Way, the only way, to eternal life in the presence of the Lord.
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I believe what Natural Law (ironic name for someone on a religion thread) is trying to say is the Catholic Church has decided additional doctrines are Gods Words.
Kinda like they say the Pope sits next to Jesus.
Again I’m a simpleton, John 3:16
sorry should of pinged you to my above post
The cut came from the article. The Catholic hierarchy(pneumatics and psychics) claims an exclusive channel on the hidden knowledge(gnosis) contained in the Gospels. Mere humans(Somatics) are incapable of understanding what's written.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
1952 There are different expressions of the moral law, all of them interrelated: eternal law - the source, in God, of all law; natural law; revealed law, comprising the Old Law and the New Law, or Law of the Gospel; finally, civil and ecclesiastical laws.
1954 Man participates in the wisdom and goodness of the Creator who gives him mastery over his acts and the ability to govern himself with a view to the true and the good. The natural law expresses the original moral sense which enables man to discern by reason the good and the evil, the truth and the lie:
The natural law is written and engraved on the soul of each and every man, because it is human reason ordaining him to do good and forbidding him to sin . . . But this command of human reason would not have the force of law if it were not the voice and interpreter of a higher reason to which our spirit and our freedom must be submitted.
1955 The "divine and natural" law shows man the way to follow so as to practice the good and attain his end. The natural law states the first and essential precepts which govern the moral life. It hinges upon the desire for God and submission to him, who is the source and judge of all that is good, as well as upon the sense that the other is one's equal. Its principal precepts are expressed in the Decalogue. This law is called "natural," not in reference to the nature of irrational beings, but because reason which decrees it properly belongs to human nature:
Where then are these rules written, if not in the book of that light we call the truth? In it is written every just law; from it the law passes into the heart of the man who does justice, not that it migrates into it, but that it places its imprint on it, like a seal on a ring that passes onto wax, without leaving the ring.
The natural law is nothing other than the light of understanding placed in us by God; through it we know what we must do and what we must avoid. God has given this light or law at the creation.
1956 The natural law, present in the heart of each man and established by reason, is universal in its precepts and its authority extends to all men. It expresses the dignity of the person and determines the basis for his fundamental rights and duties:
For there is a true law: right reason. It is in conformity with nature, is diffused among all men, and is immutable and eternal; its orders summon to duty; its prohibitions turn away from offense .... To replace it with a contrary law is a sacrilege; failure to apply even one of its provisions is forbidden; no one can abrogate it entirely.
1957 Application of the natural law varies greatly; it can demand reflection that takes account of various conditions of life according to places, times, and circumstances. Nevertheless, in the diversity of cultures, the natural law remains as a rule that binds men among themselves and imposes on them, beyond the inevitable differences, common principles.
1958 The natural law is immutable and permanent throughout the variations of history; it subsists under the flux of ideas and customs and supports their progress. The rules that express it remain substantially valid. Even when it is rejected in its very principles, it cannot be destroyed or removed from the heart of man. It always rises again in the life of individuals and societies:
Theft is surely punished by your law, O Lord, and by the law that is written in the human heart, the law that iniquity itself does not efface.
1959 The natural law, the Creator's very good work, provides the solid foundation on which man can build the structure of moral rules to guide his choices. It also provides the indispensable moral foundation for building the human community. Finally, it provides the necessary basis for the civil law with which it is connected, whether by a reflection that draws conclusions from its principles, or by additions of a positive and juridical nature.
1960 The precepts of natural law are not perceived by everyone clearly and immediately. In the present situation sinful man needs grace and revelation so moral and religious truths may be known "by everyone with facility, with firm certainty and with no admixture of error." The natural law provides revealed law and grace with a foundation prepared by God and in accordance with the work of the Spirit.
1978 The natural law is a participation in God's wisdom and goodness by man formed in the image of his Creator. It expresses the dignity of the human person and forms the basis of his fundamental rights and duties.
1979 The natural law is immutable, permanent throughout history. The rules that express it remain substantially valid. It is a necessary foundation for the erection of moral rules and civil law.
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You can quote from the Catechism all you want. Thats like saying you owe me a million dollars because I saw you owe me a million dollars.
“Before the Protestant reformation, the Protestant and Catholic church were one and the same.”
Exactly right.
So when was this soi-disant “reformation”? What year? What event?
“I posted my proof twice, and each time the moderator deleted my comment.”
LOL, twice.
“So my evidence is not accepted.”
Spam from hate sites isn’t evidence.
“Not my fault ask the moderator why he deleted my proof.”
No need, when my neighbor cleans his yard, I don’t need to ask “why”, I just applaud.
“I’m not a Catholic so I don’t know if adultry disqualifies one from receiving communion.”
Serious sin does, and “adultry” (sic) is certainly that.
Well apparently it doesn’t apply for Mel Gibson. As I linked an article that plainly stated he was still able to receive communion.
How do you know what is Mel Gibson's heart with more authority than God and Gibson's priest and confessor?
Just posting what was linked
And the media is always fully true and correct?
If Mel is no longer living in sin, has confessed and been shriven then, like you or me or any other sinner forgiven by Our Lord, he is then again in a State of Grace.
What is the point you are so feebly trying to make?
“And the very message that started this whole thread was not built upon hate and lies targeting Protestants?”
Point out the lies. The hate. Go ahead.
I don’t want to be pinged regarding “Radio Replies.”
Maybe I just remember back to the day when my own Grandmother was alive.
I visited her one summer and attended Catholic mass with her. The priest asked all to come forward and receive communion. I got up and got ready to go. My grandmother said we couldn’t. I asked her why. She stated both she and I couldn’t. I asked her why. She stated she married a non catholic as a widower and because of that her local priest denied her the right to receive communion. I asked why I couldn’t. My grandmother stated I couldn’t because I was just recently confirmed Lutheran.
That isn’t what scripture taught me and justifiably angered me.
“That isn’t what scripture taught me and justifiably angered me.”
Wow. What did scripture teach you that was wrong with a Lutheran being denied Catholic Sacraments?
(Luther was an heretic, you know that, right? And lived LONG after the Gospel was Spoken, you knew that too, right?)
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