Posted on 05/27/2010 6:44:33 AM PDT by Colofornian
Absolutely.
Apology issued Sept.12, 2007.
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Would you care to post the words of that alleged “apology”
Not a link but the words..it wasnt very long...
Let FReepers judge for themselves...
No “alleged” apology. Fact. An apology is an apology. Period.
Hey, Lt.Calley said he was sorry...
Well, that pretty well sums up where the FR mormons are.
No matter how ridiculous the claim, how much is posted showing it unBiblical, we are supposed to join in the mindset that "it will not affect the salvation of the people" and allow the fallacies to be spread world-wide unanswered and unchallenged or be faced with charges of being "bigots" and "haters".
Not gonna happen.
Lt.Calley said he was sorry...
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Lt.Calley wasnt at the Mountain meadows Massacre...
Lt.Calley was in Vietnam and waqs tried for his crimes...
If there was an alleged “apology” either put up or shut up...
One of my brothers lives in Veyo which is just a few miles from that very haunting place. The first and only time I went there there was an astounding silence and an eerie feeling.
I never went back.
I suspect there's at least several differences.
With slavery, you couldn't help but be open about that in the south. We know who the slave owners of the 19th century were.
Difference #1: But with the Mountain Meadow Massacres, only a few individuals were linked to it and only one person paid for the crime...20 years after the massacre.
So how does that relate to the Mormon church "apologizing" for it now?
Because of the ensuing Mormon church cover-up. (The second series of "crimes" related to this). You don't have the strength of the Mormon church the way it was in Utah Territory in the 19th century, and not be able to land anybody to step forward and admit responsibility for those crimes for almost 20 years.
People argue about whether Brigham Young knew ahead of the actual killings, and they'll argue that for a long time. But there's no argument that he knew many of those who were guilty after the killings. He was at that time not only head "prophet" but territorial governor. And he did NOTHING.
And notice most people don't want the conversation to go there.
Difference #2: Some Southern Utah descendents, I'm sure, have journals and diaries right now that revealed more of whom was involved but these have never been exposed as to who was involved. If those family members are still Mormon, and if the Mormon church hasn't encouraged those families to make that information public, that's a crying shame. Shame on the Mormon church for that lack of direct addressing!!!
The FACTS indicate that SOMEone or someTHING did!
Why worry about non-existant GEOGRAPHY when the entire house-of-cards is built on the LIES of two Angels of Light?
Well, when you hold your faith in a top hat all there is left to do is attack the the messenger of Truth by calling them liars, haters and bigots.
Thanks svcw... the mormon newspaper...Sept 12, 2007
CEDAR CITY — The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued a long-awaited apology Tuesday for the massacre of an immigrant wagon train by local church members 150 years ago in southwestern Utah.
Elder Henry B. Eyring of the Quorum of the Twelve read the church’s statement on assignment from the church’s governing First Presidency during a memorial ceremony at the gravesite of some of the massacre victims at Mountain Meadows, about 35 miles northwest of St. George.
The statement also places blame for the Sept. 11, 1857, massacre on the local church leaders at the time and church members who followed their orders to murder some 120 unarmed men, women and children.
“We express profound regret for the massacre carried out in this valley 150 years ago today, and for the undue and untold suffering experienced by the victims then and by their relatives to the present time,” Elder Eyring said.
“A separate expression of regret is owed the Paiute people who have unjustly borne for too long the principal blame for what occurred during the massacre,” he said. “Although the extent of their involve- ment is disputed, it is believed they would not have participated without the direction and stimulus provided by local church leaders and members.”
Seventeen children survived the massacre that culminated a four-day standoff between local Mormons and a wagon train of Arkansas immigrants making its way to California.
Elder Eyring said that research by church historians, who are writing a book about the massacre that is to be published next year, found that church President Brigham Young’s message “conveying the will and intent ... not to interfere with the immigrants arrived too late.”
The research also found that the “responsibility for the massacre lies with the local leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the regions near Mountain Meadows who also held civic and military positions and with members of the church acting under their direction.”
Several hundred descendants of the victims traveled across the country to attend Tuesday’s ceremony. Many of them had sought an apology from the church since the dedication eight years ago of a monument marking the burial site of some victims.
Some have also petitioned the church to transfer to the federal government stewardship of the monument and surrounding lands the church has purchased to preserve the site that church President Gordon B. Hinckley has described as sacred ground.
In addressing that proposal, Elder Eyring said, “The church has worked with descendant groups ... to maintain the monument and surrounding property and continues to improve and preserve these premises to make them attractive and accessible to all who visit. We are committed to do so in the future.”
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695209359,00.html
First problem. JS was a liar and if Mormons would actually critically look at the origin of their "church" they would have no choice but to get out.
Yes!
They are sorry that a MORMON was convicted of the crime.
A Mormon.
One who must have been a VERY good Sharpshooter and a VERY fast reloader to KILL 120 people!
now THERE is a spot whose GEOGRAPHY is well known!
Any big shot calling himself a Prophet, Seer and Revelator should be able to get all the answers rather easily.
Ya think?
Did you notice that apology is in the first line then the article spends the rest of the time blaming people.
Really a strange apology.
Why not say “we messed up and are sorry it ever happened”, next question.
I bet if you had a Thomas Brothers Map....you could find it.
And he certainly was not. However, the MesoAmerican cultures abounded throughout North and South America. The tantalizing traces are there. When Smith was coming up, Americans were fascinated by the civilizations that were so old that not even the Indians knew anything about them, except perhaps in very vague legends and oral histories, transmitted down through the centuries. We still know very little about the subject.
For example, there are various schools of thoughts on when and where the hemisphere was first inhabited, ranging all over the map and from 7-25,000 years ago! I ain't no pal of Joseph Smith, but I am definitely cutting Old Joe all possible slack on this particular subject ... and wish all of my Mormon friends debating the various controversies good luck and thanks for looking in to it.
What exactly makes this massacre site "sacred ground" to the mormon church, since it wasn't mormons who were massacred?
Good for you. If Old Joe was truly a prophet, all of the Mormon talking points should have been silenced by now. Since we all know he was not, we cut no slack.
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