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To: John McDonnell; Colofornian; ejonesie22; aMorePerfectUnion; reaganaut
I HAVE addressed the facts on how the book was written.

I provided a chronological time line John. You provided a mythology, not a single date. I showed where smith got caught in his lie in D&C 10 and had to later change the date of the 'revelation' in a later edition of D&C. Smith lied to you and every other mormon believer.

Your witnesses have impeached themselves and their credibility by their later actions. Contrary to this mythology of yours, later testimonies from these same witnesses tell us that they never saw with their physical eyes the plates, nor did they physically touch them. You witnesses speak out of both sides of their mouths John.

Further, you fail to address the historically documented fact that smith used the same method 'translating' the 'plates' that he did bilking people out their money as a treasure hunter. He just found it more profitable to play the part of a prophet.

1,037 posted on 07/15/2010 5:51:40 PM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
I provided a chronological time line John.

A chronological time line does not explain how the book was written. Nothing in your attack mode enlightens anyone concerning how the Book of Mormon was written. The sequence that I gave does explain the process of how the book was written.

The written testimonies of the witnesses, printed in every Book of Mormon, ARE their testimonies, which none of them denied. If they had, the last surviving witness would not have been badgered and hounded in a final attempt to prevent the nondenials of testimony from reaching the feared 11 out of 11. That number was reached at the death of David Whitmer.

The Memoirs of Joseph Smith III, President of the RLDS, record that in preparation for a new edition of the Book of Mormon, RLDS church leaders visited the home of David Whitmer to examine the printer's manuscript of the Book of Mormon.

Smith recalls:

The colonel, in an affable and friendly manner, discussed with Elder Whitmer the evidence the latter had borne as a special witness to the divinity of the Book of Mormon. Rather suggestively he asked if it might not have been possible that he, Mr. Whitmer, had been mistaken and had simply been moved upon by some mental disturbance, or hallucination, which had deceived him into thinking he saw the Personage, the Angel, the plates, the Urim and Thummin, and the sword of Laban.

How well and how distinctly I remember the manner in which Elder Whitmer arose and drew himself up to his full height--a little over six feet--and said in solemn and impressive tones:

"No, sir! I was not under any hallucination, nor was I deceived! I saw with these eyes and I heard with these ears! I know whereof I speak!"

Everyone present, including the colonel and his friend, stood under the spell of the impressive silence which followed this emphatic declaration. It was as if we were in the presence of the Angel himself!

1,041 posted on 07/15/2010 7:06:27 PM PDT by John McDonnell
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To: Godzilla

You are using facts instead of feelings and fiction.

It is not really fair to do that you know...


1,048 posted on 07/15/2010 8:22:58 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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