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To: Cronos
By using the word ONLY scripture, you minimize the importance of Christ and limit His Word. This is an attack upon Christ Himself.

Did you not look at the Scriptures I first sent you, that Christ is the Word of God?? The Scriptures are Holy because Christ is Holy. Treating anything above Scripture is not to treat Christ as Holy.

No what is happening here is an attempt to undermine Christ and the Scriptures He directed to be written. It is an attempt to undermine the Scriptures and replace it with traditions whatever it is deemed to be.

I've asked if you are a Christian since the Scriptures sent seem to have no impact. When every I have mentioned Christ's preeminence, I have heard no Amen.

Many folks know about Christ, but do not know Him personally as Lord. You see the trouble is trusting in anything else besides Him is not Faith. Salvation plus anything but Faith (belief upon Christ) is not Salvation. Trusting in Tradition is trusting something else besides Christ. And trusting in anything that is not God quickly becomes an Idol in ones life. The Scriptures are right when it says that Idols quickly turn folks from God.

Since the Scriptures were supervised and ordained by God, and He Himself calls Himself the Word of God, therefore it and He alone is completely trustworthy and worthy of Faith.

No, Cronos, what you have been doing is putting Traditions importance above Scripture saying it came before Scripture when it came from the mind of God before the foundation of the World. You have been putting Traditions above Christ.

Again, I must ask you if you are a Christian since you have put Tradition ahead of His Word and Himself. Have you put your faith upon Christ alone as your personal Savior to pay for all your sins? Have you turned away from your own life and called Him alone Lord? Or have you devoted your life to the variable traditions of fickle men and the mess of pottage that it is?

Finnaly, I remind you of what Christ said to Peter "Come and follow Me". Will you forsake the traditions of men and come and follow Christ? When the rich young ruler was asked, he loved riches more than Christ. Will you love tradition more than Him? Peter turned and followed Christ, will you?

1,018 posted on 06/10/2010 9:06:28 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402
Did you not look at the Scriptures I first sent you, that Christ is the Word of God?? The Scriptures are Holy because Christ is Holy. Treating anything above Scripture is not to treat Christ as Holy.

Sigh, we're talking at cross purposes.

Let me repeat:
1. To me as to The Church, Christ is the WORD of God (Christ is not JUST the Written Word but the WORD)
2. The Scriptures are Holy, inerrant and infallible -- that is Church teaching
3. Tradition and The Church are not above Scripture in any way -- that is NOT Church teaching. As I've repeated ad nauseum -- in no way does any Church teaching or Holy Tradition contradict Scripture. It cannot

Name one place where scripture is REPLACED with something from Holy Tradition. It can't be replaced, that is contrary to God's teachings through His Church.

Remember -- it is CHRIST's pre-eminence.

I worship Christ, I don't worship the Bible --> are you Christian or Bibliotarian? You most definitely worship Christ, the LIVING Word, not just one aspect of Him (not just the Written Word).
You consider Christ 100% and 100% God, not just either/or.
You consider God to be Father, Son AND Holy Spirit not Father OR Son OR holy Spirit. In the same way, the WORD of God is not to be divided and put as ONLY the Written Word.

You must trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, our Lord and God alone. Remember the Church principle of sola verbum Dei, 'the Word of God alone'. --> The WORD alone, not just the written word

And, you make the false accusation of "No, Cronos, what you have been doing is putting Traditions importance above Scripture saying it came before Scripture when it came from the mind of God before the foundation of the World. You have been putting Traditions above Christ" --> where exactly have I put Tradition above Scripture? Holy Tradition came before Scripture -- that is a fact, or else tell me what did the First Century Christians have when the epistles were being written? Christianity spread by the WORD, the spoken Word.

Christ said to Peter "Come and follow Me". Leave the traditions of men like SOLA Scriptura and follow Christ alone, sola verbum Dei, 'the Word of God alone'
1,019 posted on 06/10/2010 9:27:25 AM PDT by Cronos (Origen(200AD)"The Church received from theApostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants")
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To: sr4402
Scripture when it came from the mind of God before the foundation of the World

now in this you are talking about the authorship i.e. the Creator of scripture -- and God did that,just as God was the author, the creator, the initiator of Holy Tradition and the creator, the author of the community of believers that is The Church.
1,020 posted on 06/10/2010 9:31:08 AM PDT by Cronos (Origen(200AD)"The Church received from theApostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants")
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To: sr4402
WOW. You might not get an amen from Cronos, but from me you get a hearty - Amen!!!!!
1,021 posted on 06/10/2010 9:52:10 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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