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To: conservativegramma
1. The Church teaches doctrines contrary to the NT? Ha -- name any example. On the contrary, the either/or approach of many Calvinistic groups are quite contrary to the NT
2. Mary worship? No one worships Mary in The Church. Maybe you're talking of some Protestant grouping? We only WORSHIP God.
474 posted on 06/03/2010 9:40:30 AM PDT by Cronos (Origen(200AD)"The Church received from theApostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants")
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To: Cronos
1. The Church teaches doctrines contrary to the NT?

Yeah they do, didn't you know?

2. Mary worship? No one worships Mary in The Church

Really?

SURE LOOKS LIKE IT TO ME!!!!!!!!!!

SURE SOUNDS LIKE IT ALSO: "In union with Christ and in submission to him, she collaborated in obtaining the grace of salvation for all humanity...In God's plan, Mary is the 'woman' (cf. John 2:4; John 19:26), the New Eve, united to the New Adam in restoring humanity to its original dignity. Her cooperation with her Son continues for all time in the universal motherhood, which she enjoys in the order of grace. Trusting in this maternal cooperation, let us turn to Mary, imploring her help in all our needs." (Pope John Paul II)

What CHRIST SAID: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6).

Keep deluding yourself all you want - the evidence is as plain as day to the rest of us.

486 posted on 06/03/2010 10:27:20 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: Cronos
1. The Church teaches doctrines contrary to the NT? Ha -- name any example. On the contrary, the either/or approach of many Calvinistic groups are quite contrary to the NT That Mary was always a virgin is a Roman Catholic doctrine, yes?

Matthew 1:18-25 reads:
"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. THEN JOSEPH BEING RAISED FROM SLEEP DID AS THE ANGEL OF THE LORD HAD BIDDEN HIM, AND TOOK UNTO HIM HIS WIFE: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."

Yeah, that "knew" is the sexual one. That means that Mary and Joseph had hot steamy savior's-earthly-parents-sex.

487 posted on 06/03/2010 10:30:34 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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