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Jesus Christ was baptized and “sealed” to Mary Magdelene (Mormon - Open)
Further Light And Knowledge ^ | June 1, 2010 | Helen Radkey

Posted on 06/02/2010 1:47:13 PM PDT by reaganaut

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To: reaganaut; restornu
Better yet, resty, we know WHOSE we are. We are Christ’s. Bought and paid for in our entirely with His precious blood shed on the Cross.

And we pray that someday you will know the same thing.

Amen! The cross!

601 posted on 06/03/2010 8:07:05 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: mrreaganaut; lady lawyer

Well said Mr R.

And Lady Lawyer, I’m still waiting for you to attack one of my beliefs. Not me personally which seems to be the Mo MO (ha ha, get it? Mormon Modus Operandi? Mo MO? I crack me up)

But please, by all means, pick one of my beliefs and whack away. I can easily take it.


602 posted on 06/03/2010 8:12:56 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Oh, it sounds like a wonderful day! You are richly blessed my sister.


603 posted on 06/03/2010 8:16:38 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: svcw

Two weeks! Yikes, that’s long enough to have to reap your own consequences. I prefer sending them home after a day or two with a Hershey bar in one hand and a Mt Dew in the other. Oh wait, no - that was sending my daughter to my ex’s house for the weekend.


604 posted on 06/03/2010 8:20:07 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: trisham

What difference does it make from which forum the unwanted posts come from? You aren’t LITERALLY in a particular forum.


605 posted on 06/03/2010 8:22:01 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: T Minus Four

It is going to be fun.
Our daughter and sonIL are celebrating their anniversary and their present was out time share and we would watch the kids, 7, 5, 2. Then my husband went and got a job (coward). So its up to me.
I will survive, I will survive. (thats my mantra.......)
I especially like they have planned dress up day and a trip to the science museum on the same day..........


606 posted on 06/03/2010 8:34:13 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: T Minus Four; lady lawyer

Me too, still waiting.


607 posted on 06/03/2010 8:35:20 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: svcw

Those’ll be some wonderful pictures :-)


608 posted on 06/03/2010 9:26:17 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: Colofornian; lady lawyer

Such kook talk Colofornian real conservatives stand on principles of liberty all the rest are just degrees of wantabees!

More and more you prove why God has 3 degrees of Glory not all want to pony up and be counted!


609 posted on 06/03/2010 9:44:21 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

Which god?

The Mormons have so many....


610 posted on 06/03/2010 9:46:03 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: mrreaganaut; lady lawyer

Reading too much fiction will do that to a person they start to dream like Walter Mitty?

and start gibbering things like ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend


611 posted on 06/03/2010 9:50:09 PM PDT by restornu
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To: ejonesie22

The antis worship 3 heads in one invisible blob!


612 posted on 06/03/2010 10:10:05 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
Oh now that was almost too good...

Thanks for the big assist fellow Inman...

613 posted on 06/03/2010 10:13:20 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: restornu
The antis worship 3 heads in one invisible blob!

That's interesting Resty. What again is the reference fior that? We try to always post quotes from your documents, books or speeches before we make such claims. We don't jusr say: LDS believe that Jesus won't ever be in the lowest level of heaven, we post from your own LDS.org where YOU say it.

614 posted on 06/03/2010 10:33:59 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: restornu; reaganaut
Reading too much fiction will do that to a person they start to dream like Walter Mitty?

Do tell, Resty! It's a side effect from reading the Book of Mormon, is it? I happen to know that trying to watch General Conference will know you out faster than prescription pain killers, but I'll be sure not to read any more Mormon literature, just in case... Thanks for the tip!

615 posted on 06/03/2010 10:36:46 PM PDT by mrreaganaut (In practice, the 'social gospel' always violates the commandments against stealing and coveting.)
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To: restornu

Oops! I meant KNOCK you out - I seem to have read too much Mormonism today, and I should go to bed... I had better not operate any heavy machinery...


616 posted on 06/03/2010 10:40:29 PM PDT by mrreaganaut (Caprica to Baltar: "All this has happened before, and will happen again.")
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To: T Minus Four
I could have been simple and say 3 in one oil!


Less buzz must be your holey ghost!

617 posted on 06/03/2010 10:50:28 PM PDT by restornu
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To: mrreaganaut

My favorit time is General Conference as will as Ward and Stake Conference!

I love watching http://www.byutv.org/live and all of the discussions and devotionals, and other interesting reports!


618 posted on 06/03/2010 10:54:47 PM PDT by restornu
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To: svcw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eim5jLlEPYI


619 posted on 06/04/2010 3:35:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: restornu
More and more you prove why God has 3 degrees of Glory not all want to pony up and be counted!

Chompy chimp joy jing!

620 posted on 06/04/2010 3:37:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: restornu

Reading WRITING too much fiction will do that to a person they start to dream like Walter Mitty?

 

and start gibbering things like ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend


 

 

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1] 

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith  & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.


621 posted on 06/04/2010 3:42:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: restornu
 
The antis worship 3 heads in one invisible blob!
 
 
 
The MORMONs worship ONE god with TWO physical bodies.

622 posted on 06/04/2010 3:44:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: T Minus Four
We try to always post quotes from your documents, books or speeches before we make such claims.

THAT's because you are not MORMON!

YOU are not SPECIAL!!

OUR things are KNOWN to be true.

--MormonPube(By most EVERYone who investigates them with pure intentions.)

623 posted on 06/04/2010 3:47:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: restornu

1:50:28 AM

Go to BED!

You are rambling WAY worse than normally!


624 posted on 06/04/2010 3:48:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: restornu
It sounds FACINATING!!

Creating a louse from linen lanks; Creating photo tags for a Sew ooking page; I Love My Serger segment on serger plackets; "Floral Accents" segment for Machine Emroidery. Guests: Hope Yoder, Kathy McMakin, Pam Mahshie.

625 posted on 06/04/2010 3:50:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: Elsie
 
 

 
             

Fascinating!


626 posted on 06/04/2010 3:52:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: restornu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4fU0Ajo4RM&feature=related


627 posted on 06/04/2010 4:41:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: reaganaut

Bulls eye.


628 posted on 06/04/2010 5:16:50 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: restornu

Given everything have written in the last few posts I thought you might enjoy these videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvaTLs3XYZQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHdeR5QKvWU


629 posted on 06/04/2010 6:43:11 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: restornu; ejonesie22
clever
630 posted on 06/04/2010 6:52:11 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Big ears ran as the messiah, but is turning out to be just a plain old mess.)
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To: restornu; reaganaut; Colofornian
More and more you prove why God has 3 degrees of Glory

Resty, as much as love you, I know that you believe with all your might that when I die, I will never get to see Jesus. That somehow it is even POSSIBLE to have a "heaven" without the presence of Jesus.

This is the Mormon teaching that makes the least amount of sense to me.

Christians know there are only two options when you die: Being with Jesus, WHICH IS HEAVEN, and being without Him, which by its very definition is the eternal torment of Hell.

The end, period, no more second chances, no part-time visiting Jesus, no consolation prize of the Holy Ghost.

It frightens us Inmams to our souls to think you are taking this so light-heartedly. This is no game my beloved friend.

631 posted on 06/04/2010 7:20:56 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: restornu
Less buzz must be your holey ghost!

No sweetie, ghosts are spirits of dead things.

MY GOD LIVES!

632 posted on 06/04/2010 7:28:49 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: restornu; mrreaganaut

My favorit time is General Conference

- - - - -
That is exactly what put him to sleep. In record time!


633 posted on 06/04/2010 9:05:12 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

But only 4 hours at the zoo? Can’t see much, can you?
____________________________________________

It was a hot day...

plus its not that big a zoo...

We got to see everything...do everything...carousal, play area too...

Plus theres a lot of uphill walking ...the kids ran Nana ragged...LOL

and the kids were so worn out they went to sleep the minute they were back in the car...

:)


634 posted on 06/04/2010 10:11:30 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: reaganaut

bttt


635 posted on 06/04/2010 10:12:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: Elsie
I have since been baptized and confirmed... I realized my previous response might have been lost in the flood of other comments, so wanted to provide you an answer. I was baptized at St. Vincent's Cathedral in Fort Worth, Texas by The Very Rev. Ryan S. Reed, Dean of the Cathedral. I was later Confirmed at St. Vincent's Cathedral by The Right Rev. Jack Leo Iker, D.D., SSC, Bishop III of Fort Worth
636 posted on 06/04/2010 4:47:58 PM PDT by HushTX (get over it.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

My father’s best friend was raised a Mormon.

And when they were in their youth my father asked him, “You believe you’ll get your own planet. All Mormons believe this. How many Mormon planets do you believe will be out there in the Universe?”

My father’s friend just gave him a shrug of his shoulders and said, “Yeah, I know. That’s what we believe. But, it doesn’t sound right, does it?”


637 posted on 06/04/2010 7:41:37 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Utopia is being foisted on Americans for their own good.-- J. Robert Smith)
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To: HushTX

I was just REALLY wanting to see if you’d, somehow, been grabbed by the Mormons: glad to see that you haven’t!


638 posted on 06/05/2010 4:31:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: reaganaut

Thank you for pinging me to this, even though I’m late arriving.


639 posted on 06/05/2010 6:49:52 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Utopia is being foisted on Americans for their own good.-- J. Robert Smith)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

No prob.


640 posted on 06/05/2010 9:57:15 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Elsie

I respect the Mormons beliefs, but there ARE some very unusual aspects of it which in my mind qualifies it as a false religion. I’ve had many wonderful Mormon friends in my life, but one time, at the end of a hard day working on a sub in Canada, I got my buddy “Ron” who was a Mormon to have a couple beers with me, which was probably the first time he ever drank?. He started talking about God having a wife in heaven and having sex in front of all the saints....then rambling on and obsessing about the purpose and wonder of magic symbols on little girls underwear?!?...and other very strange things I’d never heard before. When the “Book of Mormon” and “A Pearl of great price” take precedence over, or become equal to the Holy Bible, that’s where they really go off track. The last verse in the Bible warns about adding or subtracting from scripture. other verses state that the Bible as we know it is complete is exactly how God wanted it to be, working through men, guided by the Holy Spirit..(wheather we wanted more or less is of no consequence) “All Scripture is good and profitable for exhortation, teaching and rebuke”. “Not one jot or tittle of the law will pass away” Jesus said “ Heaven and earth shall pass away but my word will remain forever”. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God” (the trinity)..”Many false christs and teachers will come in my name, proclaiming another gospel” and “some teaching doctrines of demons”...Paul?. The book of Mormon is fascinating reading though if you like fantasy and adventure, the exploits of the angel Moroni and the lost tribes of Israel coming to the new world and becoming the ancient Maya’s and Aztecs and other cultures..)Everyone thinks THEIR way is the RIGHT way. “God is not a respecter of persons”. He loves everyone equally. In the end each one of us must “ Work out our OWN salvation with fear and trembling” and not be intimidated by “arm twisting” by any religious groups or beholden to any person/s telling you what you MUST or must not do. Search for yourself. Read and learn about other religions too, but give the Bible a chance. Don’t let anyone tell you what it says or what people may have told you about it in the past. Find out what it says to YOU for yourself. Sorry for the long diatribe, but this is the most important issue in life and we only get ONE chance to get it right. “It’s appointed ONCE for man to die, and then the Judgment”


641 posted on 09/02/2011 11:12:32 AM PDT by Rainwave (Disgusted with Holder)
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To: Elsie

I respect the Mormons beliefs, but there ARE some very unusual aspects of it which in my mind qualifies it as a false religion. I’ve had many wonderful Mormon friends in my life, but one time, at the end of a hard day working on a sub in Canada, I got my buddy “Ron” who was a Mormon to have a couple beers with me, which was probably the first time he ever drank?. He started talking about God having a wife in heaven and having sex in front of all the saints....then rambling on and obsessing about the purpose and wonder of magic symbols on little girls underwear?!?...and other very strange things I’d never heard before. When the “Book of Mormon” and “A Pearl of great price” take precedence over, or become equal to the Holy Bible, that’s where they really go off track. The last verse in the Bible warns about adding or subtracting from scripture. other verses state that the Bible as we know it is complete is exactly how God wanted it to be, working through men, guided by the Holy Spirit..(wheather we wanted more or less is of no consequence) “All Scripture is good and profitable for exhortation, teaching and rebuke”. “Not one jot or tittle of the law will pass away” Jesus said “ Heaven and earth shall pass away but my word will remain forever”. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God” (the trinity)..”Many false christs and teachers will come in my name, proclaiming another gospel” and “some teaching doctrines of demons”...Paul?. The book of Mormon is fascinating reading though if you like fantasy and adventure, the exploits of the angel Moroni and the lost tribes of Israel coming to the new world and becoming the ancient Maya’s and Aztecs and other cultures..)Everyone thinks THEIR way is the RIGHT way. “God is not a respecter of persons”. He loves everyone equally. In the end each one of us must “ Work out our OWN salvation with fear and trembling” and not be intimidated by “arm twisting” by any religious groups or beholden to any person/s telling you what you MUST or must not do. Search for yourself. Read and learn about other religions too, but give the Bible a chance. Don’t let anyone tell you what it says or what people may have told you about it in the past. Find out what it says to YOU for yourself. Sorry for the long diatribe, but this is the most important issue in life and we only get ONE chance to get it right. “It’s appointed ONCE for man to die, and then the Judgment”


642 posted on 09/02/2011 11:12:37 AM PDT by Rainwave (Disgusted with Holder)
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To: Rainwave
Find out what it says to YOU for yourself.

But that's what JS did; and we now have MORMONism.

When the YOU is reading trhe BIBLE in a relative vacuum; Satan is there too, twisting and turning it in your ears.

Remember what the ethiopian eunuch said, "who will explain it to me?"

acts 8:26-40

643 posted on 09/02/2011 8:08:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't b: for hauling SPARE batterielieve in Gosh, think they are not going)
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