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To: GiovannaNicoletta

But Israel HAS been destroyed more than once. The people will never be finally destroyed but how do we know the current state of Israel will continue in perpetuity?


13 posted on 06/03/2010 4:26:50 PM PDT by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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Well, aside from the fact that during the Millennial Kingdom Jesus Christ rules from Jerusalem, so just from that we know that Israel will not be destroyed, here are a few things God said about Israel:

I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. The WHOLE land of Canaan , where you are now an alien, I will give you as an everlasting possession to you and to your descendants after you; and I will be their God. (Gen 17:7,8)

Jacob Said to Joseph, “God Almighty appeared to me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and there he blessed me and said to me, ‘I ma going to make you fruitful and will increase your numbers. I will make you a community of peoples, and I will give this land as an EVERLASTING possession to your descendants after you. (Gen 48:3,4)

God promised Abraham that out of him would come a great nation. God is not going to let that nation be destroyed. In Jeremiah 31:35-37 God said something very important about the nation of Israel. In this passage God tells us that one of three things must happen if the nation of Israel is to be destroyed. If none of these three things happens, then the nation of Israel will never be destroyed and will never stop being a nation. Let’s see what these three things are:

We see from God's own Scripture that Israel will never be destroyed.

14 posted on 06/03/2010 4:42:11 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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I will allow that I used the word DESTROY here but I was using it in reference to your reply to my original post where you employed the word to characterize my position. I did not mean it to signify annihilation but as I understand it, you believe that any removal of Israel from their land would signify destruction.

To be fair: I don't even believe modern Israel will be removed from the land as nations don't take other nations into captivity any longer. My only point was that's it's foolish to claim thus and thus can't happen because of God's protection when God has clearly (according to the Torah) used such means before to judge ancient apostate Israel and when we have the horrendous Holocaust in our own recent history. 6 million Jews sure sounds like near destruction to me.

In World War II, many in the Polish church were teaching that Hitler was the Antichrist and Mussolini the false prophet but, no worries, they would be raptured before Hitler invaded Poland.

God has chosen the church as a “holy nation” for 2000 years and it has seen horrendous persecution.

We (and Israel) must base our foreign policy on reason, what we know to be right and true AND put our faith in God. We cannot blissfully pretend these threats don't matter because we assume Scripture makes blanket promises that simply can't be extracted from the text.

Israel, and America, and any other western nation that is at war with radical Islam are capable of losing a city to a weapon of mass destruction. In fact, the conditions are favorable for this to happen.

19 posted on 06/04/2010 9:56:19 PM PDT by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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