"Birth Control" pills poison the womb, preventing implantation of the week old fetus. "Contraception" is a misnomer for IUD, birth control pills, etc. as Kopp points out, it is not conception which is countered but rather implantation.
Posted on 06/09/2010 10:16:39 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
“My wife and I, through the grace of God, support my family.”
It’s nice that you can. YOU. Let’s take a hypothetical couple, the wife is a homemaker, the young husband a HS drop out clerking at a gas station.
Should they start having a child every year until she wears out?
The "brood" you refer to is likely the welfare brood, which has nothing to do with the issues being discussed in these threads among Christians.
In fact, its insulting to even suggest that Christians are having children, only to have the government support them. That's ridiculous. That kind of stuff is going on among welfare queens, not the Christians engaging in these debates.
“At its root, that is a loss of Faith in God.”
And when a young couple that has no education and not much income has 7 or 8 kids, is it faith in God or stealing from the taxpayer that supports those kids?
So you'd have the government force the couple to contracept, just like the Chinese? Maybe make them get a permit to procreate?
Those that can feed those who they breed I have no objection to. Other than being a burden on the public schools (which their parents contribute to via property taxes anyway).
Subsidizing breeding and banning birth control are a recipe for a true demographic disaster. The other extreme (as seen in Europe) is ALSO causing a demographic meltdown, but that has more to do with social attitudes than birth control in and of itself.
You keep presenting hypothetical situations which have no base in reality among the Christian couples we are discussing here. You are confused.
This is true, but for decision-making purposes I'd like to know the numbers, i.e., the ratio of prevented ovulations to prevented implantations. If, for example, the overall rate of prevented implantation (in # of occurrences per unit time) is lower than the rate of spontaneous miscarriages would be when using no contraception, then the pill is saving lives.
“So you’d have the government force the couple to contracept”
Negative. I do however have NO problem with the idea of a married couple have no more children than they can afford to raise.
We're simply discussing educating Christians, on a Religion subforum, on the morality of contraception.
Why do you feel the need to spin and misrepresent this debate/discussion?
That’s ok, if I wanted a straight answer I shouldn’t ask a hypothetical question.
The minipill, Norplant and other progestin only products are likely 100% abortifacient. Other hormonal contraceptives are likely abortifacient between 10 to 50% of cycles.
Regardless the deaths by blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, and the huge increase in breast and cervical cancer outweigh any possible benefits from hormonal contraceptives by orders of magnitude.
Moreover, not everything that is immoral needs to be made illegal, in my opinion.
Government coercion that precludes immorality is not the same as freely choosing to be a moral person.
Really excellently great article, Brian. Thanks for posting it.
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Excellent article. Thanks for posting it.
Except for abortion rates increasing in lockstep with contraception rates, yeah they’ve got nothing to do with each other.
Or the fact that Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the US.
Yeah, as if the problem in America is too many kids.
That ‘demographic’ has around an 80 percent wedlock rate. Maybe if their men stepped up they wouldn’t need the government, eh?
Didn’t know it was okay to spam the Religion Forum. My bad.
I applaud the Catholic Church's stand against abortion, I just think they go a little too far in their mandates against any and all conception prevention methods that a married couple could use to control somewhat their family's expansion. This COULD possibly be why the majority of Catholics ignore their own church's teaching on the subject.
False. Overwhelmingly those who have abortions have used contraceptives. They might not have used them consistently, but they used them and quite often. People who embrace the contraceptive mentality invariably come to “tolerate” or embrace abortion.
They may have used contraception at some time or another, but not at the time they got pregnant. Even the Alan Guttmacher institute, which has a financial interest in underestimating the role of personal irresponsibility as a cause of abortion, estimates that at least 65% of abortions occur because of failure to use contraceptives.
There are also those who do not use contraceptives because it's against their religion, but have no qualms whatsoever about killing baby after baby.
I'd love to see a study examining attitude towards abortion and contraceptive. I hypothesize that the study will show that the stronger someone's "pro-choice" attitude is, the less likely they are to consistently use contraceptive.
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