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To: RnMomof7
The Greek word for "priestly service" in Rom 15:16 is ἱερουργέω, which literally means to minister in the manner of a priest. If you compare the rite that Jesus laid out at the last supper and compare it to the Passover, you will find interesting parallels. In fact, when Jesus celebrated with them after the Resurrection, you will find that he "consecrated" the bread (εὐλογέω). (Luke 24) And just one other point: we don't regard the eucharist as a stand-alone sacrifice. We regard it as a making present of THE sacrifice...not something that stands alone.
111 posted on 06/15/2010 10:52:28 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

As I sais mark..1) the word priestly is not found in all translations including THE CATHOLIC ONE.. 2) paul did not say he was ministering AS A PRIEST , but in a priestly MANNER ..and what service was he doing?? MINISTERING THE GOSPEL not a re-sacrifice of Christ.

Read it in context mark.. and I have said over and over..the roles in the new church are clearly laid out in the scripture and there IS NO PRIESTHOOD..outlined.

I am consecrated.. as is every believer .

Now if you want to look at the passover as a type..lets see how that goes

At the beginning of the Passover 3 pieces of matzo are placed in a bag called the unity or 1 bag..
Then the center piece is removed..

The Passover was a remembrance of the Exodus but it was also prophecy .

Think about the fact that the jews do not believe in the Trinity , yet God showed then the trinity in the passover..3 in unity ...one ..

Then Jesus removes the center one that would represent the Son

That piece is broken in half, one half is placed in a white linen cloth and hidden from site.. (like jesus in the tomb)
The other half was then broken into pieces and shared with the guest to eat..
It was at this time jesus said “take and eat , this is MY body”
He was talking about the matzo representing the 2nd person of the trinity that would soon be broken for them and their salvation

There were 4 cups of wine at the Passover

The 1st was called the cup of joy,which they shared at the beginning of the ceremony , the 2nd cup was called the “cup of redemption “
Jesus picked up that cup of redemption and said “this is my blood”

Jesus was revealing the prophetic meaning of the passover meal..a remembrance of God delivering the jews from Egypt , and a type of the salvation and redemption of men by Christ.

The Passover was a remembrance of the Exodus but it was also prophecy .

Think about the fact that the jews do not believe in the Trinity , yet God showed then the trinity in the passover..3 in unity ...one ..

Then Jesus removes the center one that would represent the Son

That piece is broken in half, one half is placed in a white linen cloth and hidden from site.. (like jesus in the tomb)
The other half was then broken into pieces and shared with the guest to eat..
It was at this time jesus said “take and eat , this is MY body”
He was talking about the matzo representing the 2nd person of the trinity that would soon be broken for them and their salvation

There were 4 cups of wine at the Passover
The 1st was called the cup of joy,which they shared at the beginning of the ceremony , the 2nd cup was called the “cup of redemption “
Jesus picked up that cup of redemption and said “this is my blood”

Jesus was revealing the prophetic meaning of the passover meal..a remembrance of God delivering the jews from Egypt , and a type of the salvation and redemption of men by Christ.


119 posted on 06/15/2010 12:31:48 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: markomalley
The Greek word for "priestly service" in Rom 15:16 is ἱερουργέω, which literally means to minister in the manner of a priest.

As I pointed out earlier, there is no 'priestly service' in Romans 15:16...

Rom 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

What we have is 'ministering'...

λειτουργός
hierourgeō
hee-er-oorg-eh'-o
From a compound of G2411 and the base of G2041; to be a temple worker, that is, officiate as a priest (figuratively): - minister.

That is, officiate as a priest, FIGURATIVELY...

And to be more specific,

Rom 15:25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.

λειτουργέω
leitourgeō
li-toorg-eh'-o
From G3011; to be a public servant, that is, (by analogy) to perform religious or charitable functions (worship, obey, relieve): - minister.

Rom 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

διάκονος
diakonos
dee-ak'-on-os
Probably from διάκω diakō (obsolete, to run on errands; compare G1377); an attendant, that is, (generally) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specifically a Christian teacher and pastor (technically a deacon or deaconess): - deacon, minister, servant.

When we get down to the brass tacks, your priestly service, which is to be a minister and to minister is a far, far cry from being a priest...

As we know, priests provide sacrifices...In the case of the 'church' God provided the REAL sacrifice, His Son...ONCE, FOR ALL and for all time...

In the mean time, we have MINISTERS, servants...

No priests...

We didn't have to go thru this little exercise to understand what the scripture says...But sometimes we have to use the Greek to show you guys not only that you are wrong, but to prove Sola Scripture by posting the 'Greek'...

You say 'priest', one who sacrifices for the people...Scripture says 'minister', one who serves the people...

Your tradition is in disagreement with the scripture, again...We have to go with scripture alone, again...

151 posted on 06/16/2010 8:34:55 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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