Why So Few Gospels? Inquiring Muslims Want To Know!

National Catholic Register ^ | 6/12/2010 | Jimmy Akin

[GCC Catholic]

I agree with you Catholic Scholars overwhelmingly agree with the Catholic interpretation of the Bible. “their version” of it that is.

Sorry, but the RSV was an ECUMENICAL text prepared in the 1950s in a joint effort between Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants. Because of its nature as a literal translation from Greek/Hebrew, it is one of the preferred English-language scholarly texts in general.

[HospiceNurse]

Most conservatives would rebel at the idea that government could determine their religion.

If constantine had been a Gnostic, you would be a Gnostic now.

[CTrent1564]

HospiceNurse:

That is the popular “legend” among fundamentalist Protestants. Constantine did not make Christianity the state religion. All the Edict of Milan in 313 AD did was change the Roman Law so that Christianity would be given legal protection under the Law and thus was no longer to be persecuted by the Roman State.

It was the Emperor Theodosius, the last Roman Emperor of the united West and Eastern part of the Roman empire who made orthodox Christianity [Nicene-Constantinopilian Creed] the state religion of the Roman empire. This occurred around 380-385.

[conservonator]

If constantine had been a Gnostic, you would be a Gnostic now.

He was actually sympathetic to the arian cause.

[HospiceNurse]

The Arian Controversy and the Council of Nicea

http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/godsreligion/p/aa082499.htm

[conservonator]

Have had rather poor luck with the scholarship and accuracy with "about" articles, (some make Wiki stuff look downright fact based!): if you could sum up the thesis of their article I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

[Antoninus]

Because Constantine said so.

Is this parody? It's amazing to me that the Dan Brown contingent on FR continues to raise it's ugly head.

[Antoninus]

I’ve been debating Muslims on a forum for years. You’ve given the very same answer that they give. Most of the answers they give are the same as that of Protestants who are against the Catholic Church. Did you learn from Muslims or vice versa?

There are some uncanny similarities between the Muslims and the Catholic-hating Protestants on FR. They are also both iconoclasts, for example.

[Antoninus]

If constantine had been a Gnostic, you would be a Gnostic now.

Constantine was sympathetic to Arianism. Yet, we're not Arians, are we.

[Judith Anne]

There are some uncanny similarities between the Muslims and the Catholic-hating Protestants on FR. They are also both iconoclasts, for example.

Both absolutely reject Mary's title of "Mother of God" using the juvenile argument that "God is older than Mary."

[Antoninus]

Why on earth would anyone use "About.com" (a NY Times subsidiary) for information on the Council of Nicaea.

Go to the original source:



The Proceedings of the First Council of Nicæa (A.D. 325)

[ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton]

Yeah, there is also the theory that there was an “Underground” church that dates back to the time of Christ which is not the Catholic Church. That is what I learned growing up in the Church of Christ. Unfortunately these re-writes of history don’t hold up historically speaking.

[namvolunteer]

No wonder we disagree. I am a member of the only religion founded by Jesus Christ and thus learned my religion from those in the direct lineage.
But thanks for your interesting, schismatic viewpoint.
I know I sound sarcastic but this really isn’t a forum for dividing Christians and your post is a collection of anti-Catholic positions.
For instance, this line: “The Catholic Church has since the beginning totally misinterpreted that verse,” can only be interpreted as Peter and the Apostles misunderstood Jesus as he spoke directly to them but you, 2000 years later, see things clearly.
No need to respond. Nobody’s mind is going to be changed.

[terycarl]

When you meet your creator, I don’t believe it’s going to matter which denomination. What matters is if you were a believer.

take a chance, Columbus did....a believer in what, Luther, zwingly, Calvin, Wesley. L.Ron Hubbard, Joseph Smith, Muhammed.....nope, Christ founded ONE true church, find it, follow it, it has the only path to the Lord.

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[ColdSteelTalon]

I am a member of the only religion founded by Jesus Christ and thus learned my religion from those in the direct lineage.

Not true. The Catholic Church chased down and murdered its competitors wherever it found them. So if what you say were to be true it would only be because the road through Catholic history is paved in blood. If the Catholic Church says it follows Christ then why did they kill those it disagreed with.

can only be interpreted as Peter and the Apostles misunderstood Jesus as he spoke directly to them but you, 2000 years later, see things clearly.

I have the Bible which is God's word and can read it for myself I don't need a religious organization and a priesthood that has a clear history of putting people to death that differed with it to tell me what the gospel of Christ is. I asked a priest once that If I were to be a good Catholic and observe the sacraments and live to the best of my ability as a Catholic, would I have a sure place in heaven? The priests answer was, "I am not sure"

Tell you what I will trust in what Jesus says...

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

No need to respond. Nobody’s mind is going to be changed.

So says you...

[ColdSteelTalon]

Sorry, but the RSV was an ECUMENICAL text prepared in the 1950s in a joint effort between Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants. Because of its nature as a literal translation from Greek/Hebrew, it is one of the preferred English-language scholarly texts in general.

All Wescott and Hort men to the bone.

[xzins]

Sorry, but that argument is sufficiently weak not to impress me.

If one were to pick out the best thing about the Catholic Church, it would be their unity of purpose.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

It was the acknowledgment that Jesus is the messiah by Peter that is the "rock" upon which the Church was and is built. Peter is not the Rock upon which the Church was built. Note in the verse Christ also says that the gates of hell will not prevail against it? Jesus was talking about the fact that "Christ is the messiah being the rock". Peter suffered a martyr's death at the hands of Nero, so the gates of hell did prevail against Peter, but not the Rock i.e. "Jesus is the messiah" that rock upon which the Church is built.

Er, the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church.

Also, if Peter was NOT the Rock upon which Christ founded His Church...then why would he give Peter "the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven"?

[LibertyRocks]

I have to wonder whether at some time in the past there were certain ‘teachers’ in Islam - their Imams who didn’t add to what Mohammed had supposedly said over the hundreds of years it was apparently preserved in oral tradition. Plus many radicals put a LOT of stock in teachings that weren’t even from Mohammed.