Alright, so what the Rabbi is saying is God was referring to angels? I've heard this before. I don't buy it. And the reason is because I believe Jesus is who he say he is. However, is the Rabbi's explanation plausible, Yes. I do not think there is 3 separate beings as our logic dictates, but when God speaks, I have found the truth may be beyond the obvious.
how else do you verbally describe the vastness of G-d...or the sky (also heaven)...by using a plural suffix!
I don't understand this? In English if I want to describe the vastness of the sky I don't use a plural. However, I do understand Hebrew uses things differently and I know this to be the case. The language is really ultra intriguing.
If Jesus really said that, (Jesus being god should have written his own books), and he meant that he personally gives eternal life, yeah...that would be a problem.
Well, then it is a problem for you because he either said it or he didn't. And he said much more stating he is, "I AM" and you know what that means! The problem you have is your only conclusion is Jesus was either lying, or it's all fabricated. That's a whole bunch of evidence to deny. I think the OT points directly to Jesus. I mean it's designed too. (Link Below)
There is a messiah ben Joseph who is thought to suffer on behalf of the Jewish people and die. But he doesn't die for the worlds sins....
Oh wow! I never heard that. When was he supposedly around?
Deuteronomy 24:16 it specifically says this: The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the father. Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
This gets off the beaten track a little, but what was the whole thing about Abraham and Isaac God commanded? Oh, and then God himself provides the sacrifice on most likely the very same spot Jesus was crucified. Yes, man does not die for anothers sin, but if only God can forgive sin, and you will surely die (be separated from God) in your sin, how can God be true to his word without providing a sacrifice? Blood is required for the remission of sins, is it not?
On another note - This is simply fascinating to me: I just pulled this page because it was the simplest to review...There's others which go much more in depth. Genesis 5 Names
Angels and heavenly court. Yeah, it is difficult to "buy it" when a person is a trinitarian. There are so many verses that contradict the trinitarian view, people hold on to that one to the bitter end...:o)
However, I do understand Hebrew uses things differently and I know this to be the case. The language is really ultra intriguing.
Yes! In addition to reading right-to-left and having no vowels, the Hebrew langauge is constructed from a relatively few number of root words. It is an efficient langauge. The root words are interesting when a person is parsing text because you can sometimes get hints of deeper meanings by analyzing root meanings. If that makes sense...
I think the OT points directly to Jesus. I mean it's designed too.
Well of course you do, the way Jesus is painted into the scriptures, it would make any reasonable person think it is talking about him. Problem is...it isnt! For example:
OT- The seed of a woman...supposed to be Jesus vs Satan. It isnt.
OT-The virgin birth-...supposed to foretell Mary giving birth to Jesus.....It isnt.
OT-For unto us a child is born....supposed to be Jesus...It isnt, it is Hezekiah
OT-IS 53 the suffering servant...supposed to be Jesus...can't possibly be Jesus.
OT-Psalm 22 ....they pierced my hands and feet.....it doesnt say that in the Hebrew. Not even close
OT-Zech 12:10...they will look upon me who they have pierced...it doesnt say that in the Hebrew....plus this is a future event.
So when a person see these, in addition to the fact that G-d forbids human sacrifice, human vicarious atonement, doesnt require a blood sacrifice, says the law is forever, sacrifices are returning basically every major tenent of Christianty is overturned by the OT, not reinforced. A person just has to have the honesty to look at the Hebrew in it's correct context and translation, then the OT says nothing Christological.
There is a messiah ben Joseph who is thought to suffer on behalf of the Jewish people and die. But he doesn't die for the worlds sins.... Oh wow! I never heard that. When was he supposedly around?
Hasnt happened yet. Some believe he is the personage in Zech 12:10....again, Zech 12:10 doesnt say in Hebrew what the Christian bibles say. Much different. Here is a link.
Oh, and then God himself provides the sacrifice on most likely the very same spot Jesus was crucified.
NO! Jesus was killed at golgotha, outside the city. Abraham offered up Issac on Mt Moriah, the exact spot of the Temple Alter.
Blood is required for the remission of sins, is it not?
NO! The book of Hebrews is misquoting Lev 17:10-11. If you read Lev 17:1-14, G-d is making abundantly clear, do not eat blood!....Dont eat it, dont cook with it, dont do anything with it other than sprinkle it on the alter or pour it out on the ground. Why? Because the life is in the blood. And blood is used in an atonement, under CERTAIN, circumstances. Mostly, UNintentional sins...in only less than tens cases or so, intentional sins.
The key thing is, Lev 17 does NOT say that blood is the ONLY way to remit sins (like it says in Hebrews)
Lev 5:11 'If, however, he cannot afford two doves or two young pigeons, he is to bring as an offering for his sin a tenth of an ephah [a] of fine flour for a sin offering. He must not put oil or incense on it, because it is a sin offering. 12 He is to bring it to the priest, who shall take a handful of it as a memorial portion and burn it on the altar on top of the offerings made to the LORD by fire. It is a sin offering. 13 In this way the priest will make atonement for him for any of these sins he has committed, and he will be forgiven.
G-d knows that there will be long periods without a temple and sacrifice
Hos 3 For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. 5 Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days.
So the bible says in many places, for forgiveness of sins, we are to pray, repent, charity, fast.....all of these are means of forgiveness. No blood required.!
Thanks for the 5 name link....checking it now.