Modernist Benedictines Fear Sacramentals

The Eponymous Flower ^ | 07/26/2010 | Tancred

[0beron]

Editor: The modernist Monastery's new blog entry written by "Father" Ruff reveals an unsteady and uncertain hand. He says traditionalist clergy and their laity are "afraid", playing dress up and pining away for a "less complicated" by-gone era. If anyone is afraid, it's Father Ruff. Why is Father Ruff afraid? Probably because he knows that if he entered a debate with anyone, like say, Father Z at www.wdtprs.com, he'd be shown up for what he is.

Could it be that the Abbey to which he belongs has an average age well into the 60s and doesn't attract any new vocations? The devil fears Holy things, like birettas, Catholic practices and Sacramentals, Rosaries, ancient practices, because they remind him of his fall and Christ's saving power. Do progressive Catholics fear those traditional things because they are reminded of what they've lost or never had in the first place? Father Ruff's condescending string of untrue statements do more than show fear, they show real insecurity.

[RnMomof7]

The devil fears Holy things, like birettas, Catholic practices and Sacramentals, Rosaries, ancient practices, because they remind him of his fall and Christ's saving power.

I would love to know how he knows that,it is certainly no where demonstrated in scripture..

[OpusatFR]

Talk about missing the forest for the trees.

Reading is fundamental. ~Especially the whole article.

[0beron]

“Talk about missing the forest for the trees.

Reading is fundamental. ~Especially the whole article.”

Mischaracterizing the younger restorationist clergy as being childishly attached to the details of bygone ecclesiastical fashion, especially when the moral foundations of your own house is so cracked and failing is what’s missing the forest for the trees, but that’s the sort of dishonesty you get from the progressivist clergy.
And Father Ruff once again demonstrates an inability to appreciate the sacramental side of the Church by his contempt for Its immemorial visible and beautiful signs, symbols and ritual.

Undoubtedly, he sees such things as trivialities and feels himself to have gotten at the real essence of Christianity by rejecting them. That may be protestant nominalism, but it’s not Catholic. Perhaps he should take a good look at what has been accomplished by applying such solvents to the sensus catholicus in the years since the Council: empty Churches, homosexual clergy, moral turpitude and religious indifferentism.

[0beron]

I would love to know how he knows that,it is certainly no where demonstrated in scripture.. Two millenia of true Christian practice.

[Lorica]

Today’s Mass readings certainly hit home, and remind me that the current priestly scandals are a chastisement:

Reading 1

Jer 13:1-11

The LORD said to me: Go buy yourself a linen loincloth;
wear it on your loins, but do not put it in water.
I bought the loincloth, as the LORD commanded, and put it on.
A second time the word of the LORD came to me thus:
Take the loincloth which you bought and are wearing,
and go now to the Parath;
there hide it in a cleft of the rock.
Obedient to the LORD’s command, I went to the Parath
and buried the loincloth.
After a long interval, the LORD said to me:
Go now to the Parath and fetch the loincloth
which I told you to hide there.
Again I went to the Parath, sought out and took the loincloth
from the place where I had hid it.
But it was rotted, good for nothing!
Then the message came to me from the LORD:
Thus says the LORD:
So also I will allow the pride of Judah to rot,
the great pride of Jerusalem.
This wicked people who refuse to obey my words,
who walk in the stubbornness of their hearts,
and follow strange gods to serve and adore them,
shall be like this loincloth which is good for nothing.
For, as close as the loincloth clings to a man’s loins,
so had I made the whole house of Israel
and the whole house of Judah cling to me, says the LORD;
to be my people, my renown, my praise, my beauty.
But they did not listen.

Deuteronomy 32:18-19, 20, 21

Responsorial Psalm

R. (see 18a) You have forgotten God who gave you birth.

You were unmindful of the Rock that begot you,
You forgot the God who gave you birth.
When the LORD saw this, he was filled with loathing
and anger toward his sons and daughters.

R. You have forgotten God who gave you birth.

“I will hide my face from them,” he said,
“and see what will then become of them.
What a fickle race they are,
sons with no loyalty in them!”

R. You have forgotten God who gave you birth.

“Since they have provoked me with their ‘no-god’
and angered me with their vain idols,
I will provoke them with a ‘no-people’;
with a foolish nation I will anger them.”

R. You have forgotten God who gave you birth.

[0beron]

They really are like Visigoths sacking a Cathedral and installing their own Arian priests and Bishops...

[T Minus Four]

The devil fears USES "holy things", like birettas, Catholic practices and Sacramentals, Rosaries, ancient practices, because they remind him of his fall LEAD PEOPLE AWAY FROM RELYING ON Christ's saving power.

There, fixed it.

[RnMomof7]

I would love to know how he knows that,it is certainly no where
demonstrated in scripture.. Two millenia of true Christian practice.

So in other words there is no biblical evidence that things like relics , rosaries, crosses etc scare the devil?

I did not think so

Scripture indicates the only thing that scares the devil is the name of Jesus

Luk 10:17 — And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

[0beron]

Nothing could be more biblical than the Rosary.\

Show me where it says “sola scriptura” in the Bible.

[0beron]

Indeed, like your forebears, the anarchistic “Schwaermer” as Martin Luther liked to call them, you are very capable of vandalism. But every protestant is his own Pope, so don’t expect much unity on that score.

Perhaps you don’t see the irony here in that you agree with a flagrant progressive who’s all for civil unions and diversity?

[4mer Liberal]

The devil fears Holy things, like birettas, Catholic practices and Sacramentals, Rosaries, ancient practices, because they remind him of his fall and Christ's saving power.

These things aren't holy and Satan has no fear of them. He is a defeated enemy who trembles at the very name of Jesus Christ, because he knows where he is headed...

[T Minus Four]

These things aren't holy and Satan has no fear of them. He is a defeated enemy who trembles at the very name of Jesus Christ, because he knows where he is headed...

Amen 4L!!!!

[T Minus Four]

I see no irony. The title of pope is silly. I am not an prostestant and I am not falling into your little trap. I am a born-again saved Christian who has been bought and paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ, and by His grace alone.

The only thing Satan fears is the name of Jesus Christ. Not toys, not amulets or charms, not rituals.

[0beron]

“I see no irony. The title of pope is silly. I am not an prostestant and I am not falling into your little trap. I am a born-again saved Christian who has been bought and paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ, and by His grace alone.

The only thing Satan fears is the name of Jesus Christ. Not toys, not amulets or charms, not rituals.”

So, I should respect *your* authority, based on a faulty and unauthritative translation of Holy Scripture, on what the Devil fears when the historical record shows clearly the effectiveness of the Church’s rituals and sacramentals against the power of Satan?

[0beron]

Moreover, it is ironic that you find yourself in agreement with a Liberal who doesn’t believe in scriptural inerrancy, and might not even believe in tbe transcendent divine being real Christians call God.

[RnMomof7]

Nothing could be more biblical than the Rosary.

Mat 6:7 — But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Show me where it says “sola scriptura” in the Bible.

You find it next to the trinity :)

Scripture is the final infallible revelation of God

Rev22:18 For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book. 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this

Scripture is the final arbitrator in all matters..sola scriptura

[RnMomof7]

Amen

[RnMomof7]

Indeed, like your forebears, the anarchistic “Schwaermer” as Martin Luther liked to call them, you are very capable of vandalism. But every protestant is his own Pope, so don’t expect much unity on that score.

In scripture it was the pagans that trusted in things and charms .The early church had no such beliefs for several hundred years after the death of Christ

As for every Protestant being his own pope..why not? There is no biblical or infallible presentation of such a role. Think of it this way.. why do catholics believe the pope is infallible in matters of faith, because the church says so... why does the church believe that there is a role of pope and that he is infallible in matters of faith? Because the pope says so thats why... ummmm a bit of circular reasoning there..

[T Minus Four]

Nothing could be more biblical than the Rosary

Better do a little googling. The rosary is only about 800 years old.