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A Cautionary Tale: Augustine, Aquinas, and Anne Rice
Insight Scoop.com ^ | 07-29-10 | Carl E. Olson

Posted on 07/29/2010 7:17:07 PM PDT by Salvation

Thursday, July 29, 2010



TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Science; Skeptics/Seekers
KEYWORDS: atheist; catholic
More details and something to pray for.
1 posted on 07/29/2010 7:17:09 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation

**”This is a conversion story on the level of Augustine. Anne Rice was a daughter of darkness.” And the National Catholic Register (which I write for on a regular basis) named her as “Literary Convert of the Year” in its January 1-7, 2006 edition. The Register notes that Rice’s conversion is still ongoing,**

So who is praying for her like St. Monica prayed for her son, Augustine?


2 posted on 07/29/2010 7:19:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I do like her two books about Christ. She is a good story teller. I am also obsessing about J.R. Rowling. She, unlike Rice, was/is much more subtle about her faith. It shows through but doesn’t dominate her work or who she is.


3 posted on 07/29/2010 7:26:19 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: Salvation
[In 2006] Her views will not please all of the devout. Rice favors gay marriage. She believes the church position regarding birth control is a grievous error that is not supported by Scripture. She repudiates what she sees as intolerant, "sex-obsessed" church leaders and says she does not find support in the message of Jesus for their focus on sexual orientation or abortion. She argues for a more inclusive church. "Think of how the church bells would ring and the pews would fill if women could become priests and priests could marry. It would be the great resurgence of the Catholic Church in this country," Rice said recently, seated in front of a roaring fire, in the La Jolla, Calif., mansion she moved to after she left New Orleans.
She seems very messed up via her Facebook entries; it could be demons. Only a priest can evaluate her in that regard.
4 posted on 07/29/2010 7:30:02 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: Mercat
I am also obsessing about J.R. Rowling. She, unlike Rice, was/is much more subtle about her faith. It shows through but doesn’t dominate her work or who she is.
Obsession/Faith/Dominates? *sighs with concern*

Link.

Link.
5 posted on 07/29/2010 7:35:38 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy

**Only a priest can evaluate her in that regard.**

A priest trained as a exorcist, that is!


6 posted on 07/29/2010 7:36:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Hey, thanks for the correction!! Always on your toes!


7 posted on 07/29/2010 7:37:03 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: Salvation

Sounds more like Anne Lamott than Augustine to me!

Becoming a Christian involves submitting to God’s Word, not just saying “I’m a Christian.”


8 posted on 07/29/2010 7:45:12 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Salvation
I think I'll give her the benny of a doubt...she's in California, her son is steeped in the rhetoric of "if you don't validate my lifestyle by honoring same-sex marriage, you're a hater"

She's getting on in years, has swung back to valuing political correctness over grace or faith, she has diabetes, and her son, probably talented, is all she's got.

I wonder if he and his friends have harangued his mom over her allegiance to an "intolerant" church.

If so, there's still the chance she may swing back.

And her books about the life of Jesus have been an honest contribution.

9 posted on 07/29/2010 7:46:54 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Cameras, cameras--never forget to bring your cameras)
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To: Persevero

**Becoming a Christian involves submitting to God’s Word**

Amen, and it means changing a life style in some cases. This lady needs lots of prayer in my estimation.


10 posted on 07/29/2010 7:54:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mamzelle

**I wonder if he and his friends have harangued his mom over her allegiance to an “intolerant” church.

If so, there’s still the chance she may swing back.**

Yes, if this has been happening with her son, then she definitely gets the benefits of the doubt.......and the benefits of more prayers from Christians for her!


11 posted on 07/29/2010 7:57:04 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

OK, I’m not that interested in Ann Rice to read all the details, but I do have 2 comments. My friend is a BIG fan of hers, so I have some knowledge of her, but I never read any of her books.

Was not Ann Rice born a Catholic? (My understanding was she lost her faith when her daughter died) If so how could she be a convert?

Also, why is she renouncing “Christianity”. It seems to me she’d make a fine Episcopalian. I mean, they have openly gay Bishops and everything. There are probably other denominations who share her views, but the Episcopalians have all the lovely ceremony, etc. that I’m sure would appeal to Ms. Rice.

If she still considers herself to have been saved by Christ she is a Christian. If she doesn’t want to be a Catholic anymore, again, whatever, that’s fine too.

Well, it’s fine with me, anyway.


12 posted on 07/29/2010 8:18:06 PM PDT by jocon307 (Not the white man's b*tch)
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To: Salvation
"Her views will not please all of the devout. Rice favors gay marriage. She believes the church position regarding birth control is a grievous error that is not supported by Scripture. She repudiates what she sees as intolerant, "sex-obsessed" church leaders and says she does not find support in the message of Jesus for their focus on sexual orientation or abortion. She argues for a more inclusive church.

"Think of how the church bells would ring and the pews would fill if women could become priests and priests could marry. It would be the great resurgence of the Catholic Church in this country," Rice said recently, seated in front of a roaring fire, in the La Jolla, Calif., mansion she moved to after she left New Orleans."

If the Church did this in the first millennium! There never would of been a second millennium of the Church! It's Discipline of moral character sustains it in Christ.

13 posted on 07/29/2010 10:04:29 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: Mercat

I am with you. I’ve been flamed quite a few times for it, but Rowling could not write such a Christian book with the understanding of Christian morality and detailing the spiritual warfare if she wasn’t a Christian.

As I point out to people, the lion is the door (Gryffindor) but the snake slithers in (Slitherin). And the description of Voldemort, as one who hides, deceives, divides, manipulates and destroys - that is spot on for the enemy.

But the last book, where Harry walks a lonely walk to be killed for his friends, that is what really convinced me.

Although the first strong assurance I had was when Harry was despondant over his godfather’s death in book five, and Luna came and told him there was eternal life - that even though there was no crossing over into the spirit world, his loved ones lived on, and not just in his heart. It was just so Christian.

IMHO, the whole book is a metaphor for Spiritual Warfare.

I am convinced that Rowling at least understands well the ideas and philosophies behind Christianity.


14 posted on 07/29/2010 11:32:14 PM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: I still care

Unlocking Harry Potter, Harry Potter’s Bookshelf, and the Deathly Hallows Lectures all by John Granger - and I think he’s also written one specifically about the Christian imagery.. but one of his themes is that in each of the books, Harry goes under ground and in a sense dies to himself through sacrifice to others and then returns to life/the surface, in the presence of a symbol of Christ, for example, in The Chamber of Secrets, he and his friends fly out of the chamber by holding onto the tail of a phoenix. Harry Potter’s Bookshelf got me rereading Shakespeare, Dickens, and Austin.


15 posted on 07/30/2010 4:01:07 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Salvation

Good stuff but then you had to go and say this:

“Say a prayer to Sts. Augustine and Aquinas for Anne Rice, that she might be restored to faith and communion.”


16 posted on 07/30/2010 7:16:30 AM PDT by Augustinian monk ("Too many freaks and not enough circus tents")
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To: Salvation

Excellent essay. I had prayed that Anne Rice being exposed to Truth would release her stubborn attachment to sin and fully embrace Church teaching. I thought that at least getting to hear the Truth it would make inroads into her errors. But I think too many people in the Church were concerned with the “catch” of Anne Rice and ended up massaging her ego and reassuring her that her stance was not of great consequence.

It is sad that she shut her mind to the Grace which would have illuminated her heart.


17 posted on 07/30/2010 9:23:25 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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Well, she made her millions off of “Christ,” so now she can go back to doing whatever it was she was doing before she re-submitted herself to the Catholic Church of her youth. In other words, never underestimate the cunning elasticity of creative people to guage the market, jump in, make whatever money they can with their latest “epiphany,” and then leave that phase of their life as quickly as they entered.


18 posted on 07/30/2010 5:33:15 PM PDT by Rosie405
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I don’t think this is what she has done. I believe she simply decided that Christ needed to be remade in her image. When the Catholic Church refused to oblige and did not change dogma to fit her image of Christ she left.


19 posted on 07/30/2010 5:36:42 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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