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A Deeper Look at the Many Evangelicals Turning Catholic
NC Register ^ | August 5, 2010 | MATTHEW WARNER

Posted on 08/05/2010 12:36:10 PM PDT by NYer

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To: mas cerveza por favor
You statistics are scewed. Blacks are mostly Protestant so they need to be factored in with White Protestants if you want to compare apples with apples. Lapsed Protestants self-identify as non-religious

That is a ridiculous post, I never gave any statistics, I never separated Protestants by race, and lapsed Protestants do not identify as non-religious or atheists, anymore than a lapsed Catholic would, they would just say that they don't go to church.

Statistics would be saying things like out of the last 19 elections, Catholics voted against the Republicans 14 times.

It would be posting things like this.

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61 posted on 08/05/2010 4:05:55 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ican'tbelieveit
Btw, Baptist, and proud of it. What easier faith is there than “by Grace are you saved, it is a Gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.”

Consistent truth, not ease, alights the narrow path. Christ was born into history. Despite a maelstrom of conflicting claims, true doctrine stands out by examining the historic Church.

62 posted on 08/05/2010 4:12:05 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: gedeon3
The numbers leaving the Rc are enormous ..one need only look at the empty churches to see it..

Do people convert to Catholicism? Sure the unsaved want to be in charge of their salvation, they want to be saved because they deserve it.. Catholicism offers that.

Some convert because they like all the pomp of the services ,the incense and the golden vessels, the vestments , the candles the statues and the rules all look holy.. .. they want to feel holy even if they do not really know what it means..

I do not believe a saved person would convert to Catholicism .. they would have too many spiritual issues with the doctrine.. ..so i have no problem with them going..laymen or pastors.. as scripture tells us as time comes near the ends.. the tares will be bundled together and I am personally glad to get the tares out of the pulpit

63 posted on 08/05/2010 4:16:15 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Bingo.... to use a catholic theological term :)


64 posted on 08/05/2010 4:17:43 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: mas cerveza por favor
These children of the "Enlightenment" are grandchildren of the Protestant "Reformation." The only antidote is a return to REAL old-time religion.

And what do we call people that say they are catholic but do not want to see a priest until they are on their death beds? Children of the darkness??

65 posted on 08/05/2010 4:19:59 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Their prior church had theological reasons for not remarrying them after they got divorced.

Well they could always get an annulment (the Catholic form of divorce )

66 posted on 08/05/2010 4:21:47 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: ansel12
That chart is ancient history. Republicans were hardly more conservative than Democrats back in those days. Blacks were still voting Republican. Eisenhower forced school integration on the Democrats of the South. Kennedy cut the income taxes. Government socialism grew faster under Nixon than under LBJ.

But this is all has very little to do with religion. Are you criticizing Catholic ethnic groups or religious principles?

67 posted on 08/05/2010 4:25:21 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor
Paganism says it all ... the "veneration of saints" is traced to the pagan Constantine

"The Roman Catholic Church, in its pagan form, unofficially came into being in 312 A.D., at the time of the so-called "miraculous conversion" to Christianity of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Although Christianity was not made the official religion of the Roman Empire until the edicts of Theodosius I in 380 and 381 A.D., Constantine, from 312 A.D. until his death in 337, was engaged in the process of simultaneously building pagan temples and Christian churches, and was slowly turning over the reigns of his pagan priesthood to the Bishop of Rome. However, the family of Constantine did not give up the last vestige of his priesthood until after the disintegration of the Roman Empire -- that being the title the emperors bore as heads of the pagan priesthood -- Pontifex Maximus -- a title which the popes would inherit. (The popes also inherited Constantine's titles as the self-appointed civil head of the church -- Vicar of Christ and Bishop of Bishops.)

Prior to the time of Constantine's "conversion," Christians were persecuted not so much for their profession of faith in Christ, but because they would not include pagan deities in their faith as well.

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68 posted on 08/05/2010 4:27:22 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
And what do we call people that say they are catholic but do not want to see a priest until they are on their death beds? Children of the darkness??

I have never heard of that. Who are you talking about?

69 posted on 08/05/2010 4:31:00 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: NYer

I don’t see a definition of “evangelical” in the article. The author could be including Unitarians and those new fancy gay embracing protestant denominations.


70 posted on 08/05/2010 4:36:33 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mas cerveza por favor

Pelosi, Kennedys, and Kerry are all catholic.


71 posted on 08/05/2010 4:38:30 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

“Their prior church had theological reasons for not remarrying them after they got divorced. “

Like Mel Gibson?


72 posted on 08/05/2010 4:39:26 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mas cerveza por favor

No greater truth than John 3:16 and Ephesians 2:8,9. It doesn’t take religiosity to be saved. There is only way way, and He gave us the knowledge, yet we reject it.


73 posted on 08/05/2010 4:42:38 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: mas cerveza por favor

That chart isn’t “ancient history” and it doesn’t include the FDR elections, JFK gave us the Vietnam War and the 1960s and the 1965, Ted Kennedy immigration bill, those years spelled the end of America and the beginning of third world colonization and our eventual disappearance as anything that we will recognize.

Catholics continued to vote against the Republicans in 1968, 1976, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2008. The few times they didn’t go against the Republicans were generally for a reelection of a sitting President.

The Catholic vote is to the left of the Protestant Hispanic vote.


74 posted on 08/05/2010 4:46:31 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: RnMomof7
Paganism says it all ... the "veneration of saints" is traced to the pagan Constantine

That is totally false. Your website is a bogus source.

This Catholic Encyclopedia passage is based on unquestioned historical evidense:

"Christians from the very beginning adorned their catacombs with paintings of Christ, of the saints, of scenes from the Bible and allegorical groups is too obvious and too well known for it to be necessary to insist upon the fact. The catacombs are the cradle of all Christian art. Since their discovery in the sixteenth century — on 31 May, 1578, an accident revealed part of the catacomb in the Via Salaria — and the investigation of their contents that has gone on steadily ever since, we are able to reconstruct an exact idea of the paintings that adorned them. That the first Christians had any sort of prejudice against images, pictures, or statues is a myth (defended amongst others by Erasmus) that has been abundantly dispelled by all students of Christian archaeology. The idea that they must have feared the danger of idolatry among their new converts is disproved in the simplest way by the pictures even statues, that remain from the first centuries. Even the Jewish Christians had no reason to be prejudiced against pictures, as we have seen; still less had the Gentile communities any such feeling. They accepted the art of their time and used it, as well as a poor and persecuted community could, to express their religious ideas."

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07664a.htm

76 posted on 08/05/2010 4:52:22 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Salvation; memom; smvoice; boatbums; the_conscience; Quix; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
Catholics have a hard time understanding that 1000 could leave and become catholic and all we would do is shrug.. belonging to a church or going to church or calling oneself an "evangelical" means nothing to us .. Our question is are they saved? We do not believe a person truly regenerated by a work of the Holy Spirit, that has repented and believed that Christ paid the penalty for all their sin would ever convert to Catholicism ..they would never accept that the cross was insufficient ..

So what comes to the Catholic church are people still looking to be saved.. or feel holy or become famous or move up in an ecumenical group that has catholic leadership.. in other words they are seekers for themselves .

So we are actually glad they outed themselves as tares and will not be teaching or preaching in our churches.

So the list you present has no meaning for us.. just good riddance

77 posted on 08/05/2010 4:52:58 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; metmom
They are easily impressed with numbers (ONE BILLION STRONG) and names. Unless those names are Pelosi, Kennedy, Madonna, etc.

The Big Flock Mentality.

78 posted on 08/05/2010 4:55:37 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: driftdiver
Pelosi, Kennedys, and Kerry are all catholic.

Their works are not those of faithful Catholics.

79 posted on 08/05/2010 4:57:29 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: ansel12

Again, by definition there are no faithful, beleiving Catholics who vote liberal. That is all there is to it.


80 posted on 08/05/2010 4:59:58 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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