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A Catholic Bishop Looks Back Gratefully on 87 Years of Celibacy
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 8/11/10 | Damian Thompson

Posted on 08/11/2010 7:21:24 PM PDT by marshmallow

Bishop John Jukes of Southwark was one of the leading lights – and best brains – of the Catholic Church when I was still at school. Today, much to my surprise, an email from this remarkable Franciscan appeared in my inbox, asking politely if I’d be interested in his thoughts on 87 years of celibacy. Having reported so negatively on the antics of various Catholic bureaucrats, I’m delighted to reproduce his article, whose defence of this ancient spiritual tradition is in such contrast to the sneers and incomprehension of the Church’s critics.

I have always enjoyed the company of women. Their way of talking, the often – to me – apparently illogical style of reasoning, coupled with their physical appearance, have provided fascinating objects of wonder and interest. So you will understand how great was the step I took when I was 28 to freely take a life-long vow to God that I would never marry. It was a vow that I am still keeping in this year of Pope Benedict’s visit to Britain. I am still keeping this vow that I took under the example and inspiration of St Francis of Assisi because by it I am more closely linked to Jesus Christ, son of Mary of Nazareth and Son of God. Now as I celebrate my 87th birthday I reflect upon celibacy as I have experienced it and how this gift of God has placed me at the service of the Catholic Church and the people of God.

The choice of life-long celibacy is made by many hundreds of thousands of individuals in the life of the Catholic Church. Some do so, men and women, by electing to take a vow of perpetual celibacy as a member of a religious Order or Congregation. Other men seek ordination.........

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TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: 87; 87years; 87yearsofcelibacy; celibacy; celibate; celibatebishop; romancatholic; romancatholicism

1 posted on 08/11/2010 7:21:26 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

I would love to know the testosterone levels of this self-proclaimed life-long celibate and someone like Hugh Hefner. They’re probably different.


2 posted on 08/11/2010 7:32:54 PM PDT by Gapplega
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To: marshmallow
...women. Their way of talking, the often – to me – apparently illogical style of reasoning...

Don't you just love it!

3 posted on 08/11/2010 7:36:16 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Gapplega

Their souls might be different too.

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4 posted on 08/11/2010 7:37:23 PM PDT by Ransomed
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5 posted on 08/11/2010 7:38:20 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: OldPossum

Out of the mouth of Babes.


6 posted on 08/11/2010 7:38:20 PM PDT by deadrock (Liberty is a bitch that needs to be bedded on a mattress of cadavers.)
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To: Gapplega

I don’t think that testosterone levels have anything to do with it. You’re comparing a man in his 20s who gave up what we consider a normal life to devote himself to God and the Church. And on the other hand, you have a filthy horndog like Hefner who has no self control. The man must have been born with a perpetual hard-on (sorry for the language; I don’t know how to phrase it otherwise).

One is a man of God, the other, a sexual libertine who has no concept of love, just lust for the flesh.


8 posted on 08/11/2010 7:47:12 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Gapplega

I don’t think that testosterone levels have anything to do with it. You’re comparing a man in his 20s who gave up what we consider a normal life to devote himself to God and the Church. And on the other hand, you have a filthy horndog like Hefner who has no self control. The man must have been born with a perpetual hard-on (sorry for the language; I don’t know how to phrase it otherwise).

One is a man of God, the other, a sexual libertine who has no concept of love, just lust for the flesh.


9 posted on 08/11/2010 7:47:16 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

Sorry for the double post. The computer’s connection quit, I redialed and it posted it again.


10 posted on 08/11/2010 7:48:22 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Gapplega

Hugh Hefner is a perv. And the more you follow your perversion of choice, the more it controls you.

Interesting article, thanks for posting.


11 posted on 08/11/2010 7:50:36 PM PDT by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: OldPossum

Yes, I got such a kick out of this bit. I had to read it to my husband; still chuckling.


12 posted on 08/11/2010 7:52:18 PM PDT by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: marshmallow

**The choice of life-long celibacy is made by many hundreds of thousands of individuals in the life of the Catholic Church. **

God bless this priest.


13 posted on 08/11/2010 7:54:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: OldPossum

God knows I’m not defending Hugh Hefner and his life. I think that a life long celibate, God love him, might have a lower testosterone level than someone like Hefner or any other over-sexed male.. fill in the blank. It’s much easier to be celibate at 45 than it is to be at 20. (I’m a devout Catholic btw).


14 posted on 08/11/2010 7:56:29 PM PDT by Gapplega
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To: marshmallow

87 years of celibacy? Sounds a lot like marriage to me.


15 posted on 08/11/2010 8:07:26 PM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: Gapplega

Some people are actually asexual.

God Bless the old guy. Guess you can’t miss what you’ve neve had.


16 posted on 08/11/2010 8:07:32 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama on The View: "When those folks came over on 9-11". Folks??? WTH?)
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To: Gapplega

I understand what you are saying; I didn’t take it that you were defending Hefner. But I really don’t think that hormones have the most important role here. As we have always been told, the biggest sex organ we have is the brain (and I think that’s true). That’s what guides us in these matters.

It just seems to me that Hefner is what I said he is, and man-to-man he doesn’t compare to the Bishop. He is what he is, and it ain’t pretty.


17 posted on 08/11/2010 8:09:45 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: marshmallow

So, a new monk arrives at the monastery. He is assigned to help the other monks in copying the old texts by hand. He notices, however, that they are copying copies, and not the original books.

The new monk goes to the head monk to ask him about this. He points out that if there was an error in the first copy, that error would be continued in all of the other copies. The head monk says, “We have been copying from the copies for centuries, but you make a good point, my son.”

So, the head monk goes down into the cellar with one of the copies to check it against the original. Hours later, nobody has seen him. So, one of the other monks goes downstairs to look for him. He hears sobbing coming from the back of the cellar and finds the old monk leaning over one of the original books crying. He asks what’s wrong.

“Celebrate ... the word is CELEBRATE!” says the old monk with tears streaming down his face.


18 posted on 08/11/2010 8:27:07 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: OldPossum

Back when this man was in his 20s, we were not a culture that was swamped at every angle with sexual images and porn accessible through your tv screen. TV was not even broadcasting 24 hours a day when this guy was in his 20s.


19 posted on 08/11/2010 8:28:51 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Gapplega

Most of the guys I knew in college who went on to become priests did so because they were terribly awkward around women. Had long discussions with them about it. They were overall nice guys, but not romeos and none were what would be called a handsome guy.


20 posted on 08/11/2010 8:31:53 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: OldPossum

Hormones play a bigger role more than people know. If you’ve never had the big teen surge (and some people haven’t) I can see where some people might not be interested in the opposite sex that way.

But hormones definitely do influence behavior. Teenagers at very high levels. Everyone knows in other animals it sure does. Even in the neutered ones they still have seasonal surges and I can tell whenever that happens, it overrides their normal behavior patterns.


21 posted on 08/11/2010 8:35:26 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
I've been married 3 times and have 2 kids.

I've been celibate between marriages, and remain celibate these 10 years since I'm single.

My testosterone level is fine, and my hair is still red.

Celibacy offers a discipline that is useful.

Some are meant for it. Others are not.

But that doesn't mean I don't still pole vault out of bed like I was 18.

What I do about it is a choice. Hormones drive the urges. The brain drives the actions.

/johnny

22 posted on 08/11/2010 9:33:52 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I agree with ya.


23 posted on 08/11/2010 9:34:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: tanknetter
“Celebrate ... the word is CELEBRATE!” says the old monk with tears streaming down his face.

Thanks for the history lesson.

Oh, I mean joke. Sorry.

24 posted on 08/11/2010 10:32:47 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: willgolfforfood

Really? You must have made a dreadful choice of your spouse ... but if you’ve been married 87 years, at least you’ve got some amazing longevity going. Are you a World War II vet?


25 posted on 08/12/2010 5:59:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Large realities dwarf and overshadow the tiny human figures reacting to them.")
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To: Secret Agent Man

There are lots of married men who’re awkward around women. It’s a funny old world.

Priests are like other men; they come in all sizes and personalities. I happen to know quite a few, as well as a good many seminarians. Some are charming and polished; others are shambling and taciturn. Some sparkle in the company of women; others clam up.

To suggest that testosterone levels are the key is to suggest that a man is the slave of his passions — whereas the truth is that an essential property of every REAL man is self-mastery. Hef isn’t an example of a highly-sexed man; he’s a case of arrested development.


26 posted on 08/12/2010 7:06:18 AM PDT by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: Gapplega
I think that a life long celibate, God love him, might have a lower testosterone level than someone like Hefner or any other over-sexed male.

Did it ever occur to you that being over-sexed may cause increased testosterone, whereas being celibate may decrease the levels? A large part of celibacy is mind over chemicals. If you stop thinking about sex all the time, you won't be as "stimulated" as you would be otherwise.
27 posted on 08/12/2010 10:23:19 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Re your posts 19 and 21, I should have stated my case with better precision. I was not saying that hormones played no role, I was trying to make the case that the mind, if it is doing its role in the life of a person who could control himself, would limit or shut down completely that person’s sexual urges brought about by the hormones. In this case, the Bishop is a person who can control himself and Hefner is a person with utter lack of control.


28 posted on 08/12/2010 11:01:44 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Antoninus

I doubt it


29 posted on 08/12/2010 3:39:16 PM PDT by Gapplega
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To: Gapplega
I doubt it.

To a certain extent, you're right, actually. But men are called to do impossible things, like remain celibate, all the time. Left to their own devices, it may be impossible. But with God's grace, all things are possible, even a normal, healthy man remaining celibate for 87 years.
30 posted on 08/12/2010 3:45:07 PM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: Antoninus

I completely agree with what you said. The impossible becomes reality with God’s grace, no matter what.


31 posted on 08/12/2010 3:51:32 PM PDT by Gapplega
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