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[Reformed/Non-Catholic Caucus] Does Purgatory Deny the Sufficiency of Christ's Sacrifice?
Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry ^ | Unknown | Matt Slick

Posted on 08/18/2010 9:52:35 AM PDT by TheBattman

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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; Religion Moderator
You know, the Catholics on here post all kinds of junk that in no way "qualifies" as being a caucus post, yet it happens anywise.

Then post an example, just one. Can you cite a SINGLE Catholic Caucus thread that specifically discusses Protestant beliefs that Catholics believe are in error?

This thread is ABOUT Catholic beliefs.

21 posted on 08/18/2010 10:32:57 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Ann Archy; Dr. Eckleburg; fish hawk; Iscool; wmfights; Quix
"To my Non-Catholic friends......do you go straight to heaven if you die with SINS on your soul?? Heaven is PURE, how can one get there with SINS on their soul??"

If you could accept the answer that Scripture provides to this question you would immediately abandon the cult of Rome. I suspect, however, that if we gave you the answer, a rebuttal from Rome would be used to deny its truthfulness. Therein lies the problem. Rome or Scripture?

22 posted on 08/18/2010 10:33:42 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: nysuperdoodle
I fail to see how purgatory can do anything BUT instill the idea that Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross was insufficient.

"Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the Church"

What did St Paul mean by this? It can only be a reference to that part of Christ's passion which can indeed be lacking - that part where we join ourselves to it, become one with it - or where we fail to do so.

Most people die neither fully connected to God, not fully at war with Him. Purgatory is simply the passage of the soul to full communion with God: the changing of an impure, damaged soul into a pure, whole, sinless one.

That passage, that process will be hard, indeed many of us will find it a terrible ordeal. But it will not last for ever, and then we shall be safe with Him, the true author of our being.

23 posted on 08/18/2010 10:34:01 AM PDT by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Examples?


24 posted on 08/18/2010 10:34:01 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (A loud band of PaulBots, Isolationists, Protectionists, 911Inside Jobnuts, 3rdParty Loud Irrelevants)
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To: TheBattman

¨If I knew God I´d be Him.¨


25 posted on 08/18/2010 10:34:36 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: wagglebee

You guys are as hell bent on stamping out dissent as the Spanish Inquisition. I guess Romanists can’t deny their true papal colors. Unfortunately, you can only ping moderators on a forum in America rather than burn heretics. Now suck on that egg and whine some more.


26 posted on 08/18/2010 10:39:03 AM PDT by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: TheBattman; Religion Moderator

**The Catholic Catechism, paragraph 1030, says that Purgatory is for “All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation, but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.” **

How can this be a non-Catholic forum? It’s quotes the Catholic Catechism.

At the least it might be Ecumenical — no antagonism.


27 posted on 08/18/2010 10:39:11 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dutchboy88

JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION.....GEESH.


28 posted on 08/18/2010 10:40:19 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: wagglebee; Religion Moderator; TheBattman

**Also, it seems that Matt Slick head of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry pushes comic books by [REDACTED NAME OF HATE MONGER] in the CARM newsletter, so perhaps this source should be banned**

Good point. Thanks.

Perhaps the entire thread should be pulled.


29 posted on 08/18/2010 10:41:38 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: agere_contra
Talk about Weak arguments .. I do believe that yours win!
30 posted on 08/18/2010 10:41:56 AM PDT by plinyelder ("I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: wagglebee; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; Religion Moderator
This thread is ABOUT Catholic beliefs.

How is it any different than Catholic Caucus threads discussing predestination, or once saved always saved? Those are beliefs held by non RCC's.

31 posted on 08/18/2010 10:43:01 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: TheBattman; wagglebee; mlizzy; eastsider; agere_contra; Ann Archy; Religion Moderator

If some non-Catholics want to discuss Catholic doctrine, it’s not cricket but I’m fine with it. Maybe one day they’ll want to quit shadow boxing and find out what the doctrine really is.


32 posted on 08/18/2010 10:43:27 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: agere_contra
"What did St Paul mean by this? It can only be a reference to that part of Christ's passion which can indeed be lacking - that part where we join ourselves to it, become one with it - or where we fail to do so. "That passage, that process will be hard, indeed many of us will find it a terrible ordeal. But it will not last for ever, and then we shall be safe with Him, the true author of our being."

Your speculation may work for auto mechanics, but the Scriptures do not support the idea that this "...passage, that process will be hard,..." Too much of bogus Catholic doctrine is concocted just this way, using the logic of home-grown philosophy to provided answers, rather than the clear statements of Scripture. Go read the Book, then dump Rome. Or, even better, do it the other way round.

33 posted on 08/18/2010 10:43:56 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: streetpreacher

“You guys are as hell bent on stamping out dissent as the Spanish Inquisition.”

LOL, the irony.


34 posted on 08/18/2010 10:44:39 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (A loud band of PaulBots, Isolationists, Protectionists, 911Inside Jobnuts, 3rdParty Loud Irrelevants)
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To: wmfights
How is it any different than Catholic Caucus threads discussing predestination, or once saved always saved?

Can you direct me to an example?

35 posted on 08/18/2010 10:45:02 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: wmfights; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; Religion Moderator
How is it any different than Catholic Caucus threads discussing predestination, or once saved always saved?

I fully agree that such threads SHOULD NOT have caucus status, can you provide a link to one?

36 posted on 08/18/2010 10:46:03 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: TheBattman
According to the Handbook for Today's Catholic, page 47,

"Today's Catholic"? That would be me.

Thanks for the invite............don't mind if I do.

You can take down the "caucus" heading now.

37 posted on 08/18/2010 10:47:07 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: streetpreacher
No one's stamping out dissent.

All you have to do is EXPLAIN how one gets into Heaven, which is PURE, if one dies with SINS on their soul. Answer that question, please.

38 posted on 08/18/2010 10:47:41 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: streetpreacher

I have never suggested that Protestants don’t have every right to deny Church teachings.


39 posted on 08/18/2010 10:47:41 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: TheBattman; wagglebee; mlizzy; Mad Dawg; Religion Moderator

**Of course, Roman Catholic doctrine states that eternal life is bestowed upon the one who receives baptism (Catechism, par. 1265 - 1266, 1992). It is the stains of the sins committed after baptism and not removed through penance, good works, prayers, the Mass, etc., that are removed in the fires of Purgatory (Handbook for Today’s Catholic, page 47). **

Another reason to make this an open thread. There is an error in that statement if I’m not mistaken.


40 posted on 08/18/2010 10:50:23 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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