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To: RockyMtnMan
re: We are flawed, ALL of us, and I don’t think birth control or divorce are the litmus test for a Christian.

I know that Protestantism has come down to the lowest common denominator "accept Jesus into your heart" , and you can do whatever you want, because you have a fallen nature, and can't help it, that God understands WHICH IS TOTALLY FALSE!, never the less, people who use contraceptives are false Christians. Don't deceive yourselves.

We have a fallen nature, and because of it, we need God's grace to even believe there is a Trinitarian God. God gives us the grace to do his will, it is us who choose not to accept His grace and His Will. The sign that we don't accept His will, and thus have not His grace, is our deeds, how we live, our actions. Divorce and re-marriage, and using birth control, are outward manifestations of a rebellion against God's grace. The only REAL Christian was Christ himself, everyone else is just aspiring to his example.

103 posted on 08/28/2010 7:14:43 AM PDT by verdugo
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To: verdugo
Ok, say your spouse was involved in a car crash and suffered a brain injury. That injury alters their state of mind such that no one can stand to be around them. They are angry all the time and start leading a lifestyle “divorced” from God. They begin dabbling in witchcraft and the like and start influencing your children of the same.

Do you stay married? Answer carefully because I've actually heard of this happening.

If divorce is forbidden why do Catholic priests actually grant it on occasion? At what point does protecting your children become a priority over “staying married” (abusive relationships).

While I rejected divorce and contraception as high water mark, I didn't say we could do as we please and still receive God's grace and forgiveness. Your intentions are known to him, if you harbor malice and contempt he will know, if you lack humility before him he will know. All these things factor into his judgment of your actions.

105 posted on 08/28/2010 7:24:26 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: verdugo

If my wife was diagnosed with a condition that would result in her death if she became pregnant would I not be committing murder by impregnating her? How does that square with a mans obligation to his wife to consummate their relationship regularly?

The position of Christ on divorce seems unresolved to me. Based on the limitless grace of God I would tend to believe there are some cases in which divorce is appropriate.

Matthew 5:31-32

“It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.” (KJV)

Mark 10:11-12

“...Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.


107 posted on 08/28/2010 7:40:29 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: verdugo

Can you identify the passages in the Bible that prohibit the use of birth control? I would like to better understand your framing of the “truth”.


110 posted on 08/28/2010 7:56:26 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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