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To: Godzilla
Had this rally been promoted as a political rally - I would not have had any problems with it. But it was promoted as a religious rally - no politics. Yet we see the spinoffs - most everyone can see that plainly it was a political rally with God mixed in. Were this to have been a spiritual rally to bring us back to God, it would have taken a whole different form and message.

Exactly, I am a tea party member.. I do not care about the faith of other members..it is political.. but Beck made this about religion..there I draw the line

113 posted on 09/02/2010 8:56:27 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
but Beck made this about religion..there I draw the line

Exactly, with him as the lead 'minister'.

123 posted on 09/02/2010 9:00:14 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: RnMomof7

Me too...

I’ll go to conservative political meetings gladly...

But when it comes to religion, I go only to those I know believe as I do...

The Blood of Jesus shed on the Cross
The death and resurection of Jesus for salvation
Jesus as Savior “It is finished”
The Trinity
The Virgin birth

etc

Mormonism has none of those beliefs..


147 posted on 09/02/2010 9:16:54 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: RnMomof7
Exactly, I am a tea party member.. I do not care about the faith of other members..it is political.. but Beck made this about religion..there I draw the line

Well, yes and no. I'm a subscriber to John Adams' take on the matter:

"We have no government armed in power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."

Adams was talking about a people who were largely self-policing, due to their inherent moral and religious beliefs. Governments exist to maintain order. Limited government works well when the preponderance of the people can be counted upon to be well-behaved without governmental help.

For people who are not self-policing, the need for order can only be maintained by forcing them to behave. As the number of such people increases, government's size and scope necessarily increases as well -- which is dangerous in its own right, since becoming part of that larger government is an attractive temptation to those who are not moral.

Importantly, in Adams' time there was general agreement on what constitutes "moral" behavior, and that was the case because nearly everybody shared the same fundamental Christian beliefs.

Those conditions don't exist anymore ... and the lack of such uniformity of belief helps to explain how things have reached their present lamentable state.

Beck's desire (whether or not he understands it) seems to be a return to the sort of society about which Adams was writing.

Well.... where does one find such uniformity of belief? It doesn't strictly require a common Christian belief, though I think we agree that Christianity is probably the best answer.

161 posted on 09/02/2010 9:30:41 AM PDT by r9etb
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