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To: patriot preacher; dangus; livius

Your response indicates a fundamental ignorance. Allow me to help you out.

Christians believe an old saying (either consciously or unconsciously). The saying is: lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi.

It could be expressed in English as follows: as we pray, we believe. As we believe, we live.

This is not a matter of arguing about deckchairs, as much as you would like it to be. This is a matter of the restoration of fundamental, traditional values and a rejection of the modernism that has plagued Christ’s Church for the past 100 years or more. This will energize those tradition-minded Christians who have been beaten down by the modernists and will help steel them to take back Christ’s Church from the modernist “reformers” who have attempted to weaken the Teachings of Christ at the false altars of ecumenism and political correctness.

I can appreciate that a Calvinist would not comprehend that. Hopefully the above sets it in its proper context.


8 posted on 09/06/2010 7:10:19 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

One would think that Protestants could appreciate the situation. Mainstream denominations were infiltrated and almost destoyed by liberals. In response, many Protestants abandoned the mainstream to form kind of a leaderless resistance consisting of “nondenominational” churches. That strategy is not open to Catholics. The closest thing we have are the Society of St. Pius X and Sedevacantist chapels.


9 posted on 09/06/2010 7:34:21 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: markomalley

Much better handled than I.


10 posted on 09/06/2010 7:35:20 PM PDT by dangus
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To: markomalley

Your response indicates a fundamental ignorance. Allow me to help you out.

Christians believe an old saying (either consciously or unconsciously). The saying is: lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi.

It could be expressed in English as follows: as we pray, we believe. As we believe, we live.

This is not a matter of arguing about deckchairs, as much as you would like it to be. This is a matter of the restoration of fundamental, traditional values and a rejection of the modernism that has plagued Christ’s Church for the past 100 years or more. This will energize those tradition-minded Christians who have been beaten down by the modernists and will help steel them to take back Christ’s Church from the modernist “reformers” who have attempted to weaken the Teachings of Christ at the false altars of ecumenism and political correctness.

I can appreciate that a Calvinist would not comprehend that. Hopefully the above sets it in its proper context.


:-)

There is SO much wrong with what you said, I don’t know where to begin. No use to adress most of it.

First — I know what the statement “lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi” means. Your asumption that I am either a modernist seeking to weaken the “Teachings of Christ” or ecumenist given to “political correctness” are both in error.

By the way — the teachings of Christ — did Our Lord deliver those in the original Latin? Just thought I’d ask for clarification....

Your most laughable assumption is that I am a Calvinist. Not even close! Why is it assumed that any and all of those who claim the mantle of “Reformation” must necessarily buy into the monstrosities built by Calvin and particularly his immediate theological descendents and passed off as “The Protestant Doctrine of Soteriology?”

You assume too much, my dear Catholic friends. Like, that I speak from the perspective of Luther (I do not), or Calvin (I do not). Though, I have some appreciate for their study — digging through a millennium of theological confusion in an attempt to rediscover Biblical Truth APART from the corruptions of human and institutional corruptions takes a lot of hard work — and these men were FAR from perfect!

You would also assume too much if you thought I was merely a Catholic flamer who simply hates all things to do with the Roman Church. Again, not true. Had it not been for the towering intellect and the deep faith of some within the Western Church from the 2nd century until the time of the Reformation (and, indeed, some since!) the Gospel would not have been preserved, at least not in the forms we have it in our cultures, and in many areas of the Earth Christianity would be a dead religion altogether.

I appreciate the Catholic Church for what is was — and is. It is a human and fallible institution, having seen great victories and great defeats, depending on its yieldedness to the True Master of the Church. The Church of Jesus Christ is His Body, His Bride, and belongs to Him alone. The language of the liturgies & prayers, and the numbers of candles & crosses do not matter to HIm, for “Man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh upon the heart” (I Samuel 16:7b).

Blessings...


11 posted on 09/06/2010 8:09:03 PM PDT by patriot preacher
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