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I Found Out My Church Has A Left-Wing Progressive Agenda, Does Yours?
General Board of Church and Society of the United Methodist Church ^ | 9/24/2010 | SueDinNY

Posted on 09/24/2010 2:17:37 PM PDT by SueDi52

I am a Methodist, my parents were Methodist, my grandparents were Methodist. When I heard Glenn Beck say that some churches have a radical left-wing progessive agendas that matched our current administration's views, that they are working with the left, I thought, no, not the Methodist Church. But then I looked up the website of the NAACP and union fronted One Nation Working Together.org. Going down the list of partners I saw unions, the NAACP, black, muslim and socialist organizations and The United Methodist Church General Board of Church and Society (I can't find it there now). I looked up the Methodist GBCS site and, Surprise!, found the Obama agenda on Global Warming, Health Care, Women's Reproductive Health, Labor and Worker Justice and many more. Here's an excerpt on their views on government: "We hold governments responsible for the ... guarantee of the rights to adequate food, clothing, shelter, education, and health care." (Social Principles, ¶164A)http://tinyurl.com/2excgvj Sounds right out of the Socialist agenda, doesn't it? Methodists, please, please voice your concerns with your pastor. If he/she does nothing, then escalate. We must have our church out from under the Progressive Left's thumb.


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1 posted on 09/24/2010 2:17:40 PM PDT by SueDi52
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To: SueDi52

Use the right terminology: Your church has an extremist anti-Constitutionalist agenda.


2 posted on 09/24/2010 2:19:06 PM PDT by sourcery (Don't call them "liberals" or "progressives." The honest label is extreme anti-Constitutionalists!)
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To: SueDi52

Do a search on the religious affiliation of members of congress. (Just for fun.)


3 posted on 09/24/2010 2:20:14 PM PDT by WestwardHo (Whom the god would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: SueDi52
thought, no, not the Methodist Church.

Been living a sheltered life for multiple decades?

4 posted on 09/24/2010 2:23:21 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Take, drink. Remember and believe that the blood of Jesus was shed for a complete remission ...")
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To: Lee N. Field

LOL...the Catholic church isn’t too far behind either....


5 posted on 09/24/2010 2:27:19 PM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: SueDi52

“I Found Out My Church Has A Left-Wing Progressive Agenda, Does Yours?”

No and if it did I’d not darken the doorstep again.


6 posted on 09/24/2010 2:30:10 PM PDT by Grunthor (Sex between a man and a woman brings life, sex between two men brings death.)
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To: SueDi52
I am current United Methodist Clergy but on Administrative Location because I resisted the left ward rush of the denomination. They couldn't take my Orders but they just decided not to appoint me to a new congregation in 1981. It is a Marxist front organization, helping kill individual freedom worldwide. As an example, see its support of United Methodist Bishop Abel Tendekayi Muzorewa and his (and the UM Church's) role in the debacle which is Zimbabwe.
7 posted on 09/24/2010 2:30:50 PM PDT by ricmc2175
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To: SueDi52

The United Methodist Church has been going farther and farther left since it was founded circa 1967. They have lost at least a third of the members they had then. My mother’s family had to leave the small town church that they helped build.


8 posted on 09/24/2010 2:32:43 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: ricmc2175

Thank God you stood up. Yes wasn’t Mugabe a Methodist preacher?


9 posted on 09/24/2010 2:33:15 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: sourcery
Use the right terminology: Your church has an extremist anti-Constitutionalist agenda.

That's right. The leftists and homosexuals have taken good words such as "progressive" and "gay" and co-opted them for their diabolical purposes. Conservatives are certainly for progress and homosexuals are anything but gay.

As for my church, the church of Christ, where each congregation is independent, it may very well be among the most politically Conservative. For instance, George Benson, onetime president of Harding University founded the "National Education Program" to combat communism and socialism and support free enterprise.

Anecdotally, I took trip through the South (where the church of Christ is strong) back in the 2008 election. I did not see a single Obama bumper sticker on any cars in the church parking lots I visited. It was not an exhaustive sample but did include congregations in Lubbock, Abilene, TX, Franklin, TN, Searcy, AR and Texarkana as well as the Dallas area.

10 posted on 09/24/2010 2:34:13 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: SueDi52
My Church recently hosted an orchestra event from the Luftwaffe and received threats of violence from the Left because of it.
11 posted on 09/24/2010 2:34:58 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (If Obama was the answer---that must have been one stupid question!)
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To: SueDi52

We have three Catholic churches in our area, all within 5 miles of each other. Two of the three I think are extremely liberal. The third is what I consider to be a “traditional Catholic church”. And, it is interesting that the ‘traditional’ church has a lot more members in it’s congregation and the other two are nearly bankrupt. Many have left the other two to join the ‘traditional’ church.

On Sunday, the church is 85% full at the early (7:30 a.m.) mass and the other two churches are approx. 20% filled.

The differences between the two ‘liberal’ churches and the ‘traditional’ is unbelievable. For example, at the two liberal churches, the cross has been moved from the center of the alter to the left or right side and the priest now sits in the middle with the congregation bowing to him.

The priests at the tradional church stick with the original teachings and are so upbeat. Everyone leaves mass feeling great. Not so at the other locations.


12 posted on 09/24/2010 2:36:07 PM PDT by PDGearhead (Obama's lack of citizenship)
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To: SueDi52

Just stop going there, or to any church that belongs to the National Council of Churches.


13 posted on 09/24/2010 2:36:37 PM PDT by rashley (Rashley)
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To: SueDi52

My family left the United Methodists back in 1977, when the local bishop insisted the congregation accept a new pastor who believed and preached that Mary was impregnated by a Roman soldier.

The Methodists have been on a downhill spiral for a long time.


14 posted on 09/24/2010 2:40:20 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: SueDi52
We hold governments responsible for the ... guarantee of the rights to adequate food, clothing, shelter, education, and health care."

When needs become rights,it is usually used as a hypocritical tool to grab power or unearned material gains by violating the rights of other individuals.

15 posted on 09/24/2010 2:45:15 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: SueDi52

As a life long Methodist myself, I have been aware of this progressive stance for years. I am a devout follower of the teachings of John Wesley, not the crackpots in the Methodist leadership.

At the church I attend, there are many conservatives and yes there are liberals, but I am not going to let ths lefties run me out of the church of my ancestors.


16 posted on 09/24/2010 2:46:39 PM PDT by lone star annie
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To: SueDi52
If you didn't know these things about the UMC, then you're going to hate to hear this:

Claremont School of Theology has recently announced it is
first theological seminary in America to offer degree
work in Muslim studies. The UMC budgets about $800,000
a year for the school.

I'm sorry to tell you this, but your wake-up call to your
fellow Methodists is about a half-century too late.
17 posted on 09/24/2010 2:47:16 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: SueDi52

Welcome to the club. I’m Catholic, most denominations have a left wing running amok.


18 posted on 09/24/2010 2:48:01 PM PDT by rose
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To: SueDi52
My grandparents were Methodists, my parents were Methodists, my wife's family were Methodists. We are recovering Methodists. My family, and I left the Methodist Church over 20 years ago.

The Methodist Church has been organizing, and promoting the Marxist World Council of Churches, and National Council of Churches for over 100 years. The United Methodist Church has passed GUN CONTROL resolutions, has been marrying, and ordaining homosexuals, and lesbians.

Women preaching from pulpits, or serving as Bishops, is in direct violation of God's Word.

I Corinthians 14:34 & 35

I Timothy 2:12

19 posted on 09/24/2010 2:48:25 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: Grunthor

When a Church takes a political view, it is almost always a problem. When they take political views that conflict with the Bible, they are always wrong.

Time to either find another Church or practice at home...


20 posted on 09/24/2010 2:51:00 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Lee N. Field

>>Been living a sheltered life for multiple decades?<<

My thoughts sort of went the same direction.


21 posted on 09/24/2010 2:51:17 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: SueDi52

Sadly, the Catholic Church as long ago bought into the notion that governments should help the poor, even securlarly. They take the material good but don’t realize that highly taxed societies tend to leave the charity to the government while the people themselves become less generous and take less responsibility for their neighbors. Feeding the stomach without feeding the spirit is rather pointless- you are only sustaining the walking dead.


22 posted on 09/24/2010 2:52:02 PM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: rashley

>>Just stop going there, or to any church that belongs to the National Council of Churches.<<

You beat me to it. I almost posted basically the same thing.


23 posted on 09/24/2010 2:52:46 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: SueDi52

I’ll leave denominations out, but back in the 80’s my pastor became aware of a liberal take over of the seminary he attended.

He took a stand, alone initially the backed by other conservatives. The libs threatened to take the entire seminary down with them and the fight nearly killed the pastor, he literally aged about a decade in two years but he ended victorious and the libs and their Godless theology were given the boot.

It’s worth fighting over.


24 posted on 09/24/2010 2:58:03 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: SueDi52
Next thing you know, someone is going to up and say the Democrat Party has become infested with hard core communists.

See Gramsci, "long march through the institutions".

It is done.

25 posted on 09/24/2010 2:58:42 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: c-b 1
My great grandfather was a circuit rider in N. Florida and S. Georgia.

The day I walked out of the Methodist Church the minister was raising funds to ban handguns and to fund a field hospital for the Viet Cong.

When I think back over Sunday school lessons I can recall it is obvious that the Marxists were influencing the church back in the 50s.

26 posted on 09/24/2010 2:58:57 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: SueDi52
At least you can always count on the Baptist!
27 posted on 09/24/2010 2:59:37 PM PDT by fuzzybutt (Democrat Lawyers are the root of all evil.)
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To: SueDi52

Most of the mainstream Protestant churches follow a left-of-center agenda.


28 posted on 09/24/2010 3:00:24 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Class warfare is Obama's thing.)
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To: SueDi52

Honey, nothing personal, but you’re about 30 years behind the curve: the United Methodist Church led the way for nearly all mainline churches into liberal utopia la-la land.


29 posted on 09/24/2010 3:00:40 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: SueDi52

I belong to the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. They left the fold of the PCUSA 70 years ago when they saw the writing on the wall in terms of the leftward direction the PCUSA was taking. It is a small, reformed and very conservative denomination.


30 posted on 09/24/2010 3:01:03 PM PDT by LatinaGOP
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To: SueDi52
It is too late. It is gone, right along with the conservative Lutheran Church in which I grew up.

My I implore you to learn all you can about the National Council of Churches. This ugly group is all about promoting Communisim/Socialism and every other left wing agenda you can think of.

For everyone, here is the list of "churches" that belong to the National Council of Churches. They are not churches at all--they are nothing more than a liberal wing of the radical Democrat party.

• African Methodist Episcopal Church
• The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
• Alliance of Baptists
• American Baptist Churches in the USA
• Diocese of the Armenian Church of America
• Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
• Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
• Church of the Brethren
• The Coptic Orthodox Church in North America
• The Episcopal Church
• Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
• Friends United Meeting
• Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
• Hungarian Reformed Church in America
• International Council of Community Churches
• Korean Presbyterian Church in America
• Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
• Mar Thoma Church
• Moravian Church in America Northern Province and Southern Province
• National Baptist Convention of America
• National Baptist Convention, U.S.A., Inc.
• National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
• Orthodox Church in America
• Patriarchal Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church in the USA
• Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends
• Polish National Catholic Church of America
• Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
• Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.
• Reformed Church in America
• Serbian Orthodox Church in the U.S.A. and Canada
• The Swedenborgian Church
• Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch
• Ukrainian Orthodox Church of America
• United Church of Christ
• The United Methodist Church

31 posted on 09/24/2010 3:04:58 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: rashley
Just stop going there, or to any church that belongs to the National Council of Churches.

Anyone else around here old enough to remember Carl McIntire?

Say what you will about him, but he was fervently anti-communist and unabashedly opposed to that vile outfit, the National Council of Churches.

32 posted on 09/24/2010 3:06:17 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: c-b 1

My wife was raised Methodist, in a small town with a conservative perspective. She was put off of the church we found near us when they switched to a female minister, who, worse yet, started going off on liberal political tangents during the service. Back around then I checked out the national website, got as far and the gun control position and never went back.


33 posted on 09/24/2010 3:06:27 PM PDT by JTHomes
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To: popdonnelly

You base that on...what, exactly?


34 posted on 09/24/2010 3:06:35 PM PDT by Grunthor (Sex between a man and a woman brings life, sex between two men brings death.)
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To: fuzzybutt
At least you can always count on the Baptist!

If you are speaking of independant Baptist Churches, you are probably right.

35 posted on 09/24/2010 3:07:47 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: RobRoy

Thanks. I hope you were also thinking that we should absolutely not pay any dues to these churches! Those who choose to give money to these “churches” are furthering the Marxist/Socialist/Progressive agenda.

Furthermore, these churches need to be telling the world’s governments to free their people. Poverty abounds in places without free enterprise and property rights.


36 posted on 09/24/2010 3:08:09 PM PDT by rashley (Rashley)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
My I implore you to learn all you can about the National Council of Churches. This ugly group is all about promoting Communisim/Socialism and every other left wing agenda you can think of.

Hallelujah! We're not on the list (see my posting upthread).

37 posted on 09/24/2010 3:10:10 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: SueDi52
The best gauge is to assess the Church's stance on the Bible.
Is it God's Word? Or does it contain 'parts of God's Word' - and we'll fill in the part where the writers clearly didn't know what they were talking about, or weren't as well educated as we are today?
Although they won't overtly state the latter, this is the clear position of many churches. They bring in what they believe are today's relevant issues (the same issues as have always existed - but the next Generation always believes they've gained some new insight, or are confronted with new problems) - and preach their social gospel.
Preach our need for a Saviour, and Christ Crucified and Risen? Not so much.
38 posted on 09/24/2010 3:11:18 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: LatinaGOP

Thanks for that mention of the OPC, I searched and found the website and learned that there is a small congregation not too far (a couple of towns over) from where we are. Need to do some more reading and learning but it looks like a place that we may like to visit soon. THanks again (I never heard of OPC before and probably wouldn’t if I hadn’t been reading this thread!).


39 posted on 09/24/2010 3:13:27 PM PDT by zzeeman (Existence exists.)
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To: re_nortex
I grew up in a very conservative American Lutheran church but they made the huge mistake of merging with other Lutheran bodies in 1988. It was a huge downhill slide after that. It was amazing to see how fast they went totally off the cliff. By 1992, it was apparent they were hopelessly lost and we left for the far more conservative Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.

When I went to talk to the pastor at the LCMS, I asked if they belonged to the NCC and he assured me they do not. I also asked if they had an official position on abortion and also assured me they do and they are opposed to it.

This is before the issue of homosexual clergy,etc. became as large an issue as it is now.

We have been bless immeasurably since leaving the ELCA. We are also fed the true Word of God weekly.

I am convinced that once this alliance with the Devil happens, there is only one thing to do and that is to run as fast as possible.

40 posted on 09/24/2010 3:20:59 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I'm shocked to see the Syrian Church of Antioch on there. They can trace their roots back to the Apostles, and St. Peter had a role in founding that church before he ever went to Rome and became martyred there.

I left the Methodist church over the abortion issue in 1990. Reflecting on that, would you believe that as teens in the group I belonged to they brought a hypnotist in for entertainment? I didn't remember it until a few years ago. Some of the kids in the front watching would fall into a trance, and the hypnotist walked over and "waked them up". remember his warning us beforehand that it could happen.

Luckily I wasn't one of them and didn't think anything of it at the time. But it made me feel uncomfortable, and I doubt I ever told my parents about it or what their reaction would have been, think my father would have not have liked that at all, and he wasn't even outwardly religious. Anyone who has the power to put you in a state where you forfeit your free will for no good cause should be suspect imo.

There was a lot more, will leave it at that.

41 posted on 09/24/2010 3:20:59 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: La Enchiladita

Well the United Christ of Christ-Congregationalists were even a few years ahead of the United Methodist Church or at leas moved left at the same time. Rev. Wright’s church is part of the UCC.


42 posted on 09/24/2010 3:21:15 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: SueDi52

Sweetie, I’ve been an Episcopalian for almost 40 years.

For the last 20 of those years, I’ve hated the national church. the agenda is totally political. they support gay rights, abortion, everything I hate. The woman they elected as head of the church couldn’t even bring herself to support Christianity as being any better than other religions, claiming she didn’t profess to know the mind of God.

I stay because my own local parish is good and I like the people and I’m too old to change. If I quit this church, I’m afraid I would find myself not going to church at all.

We don’t hear this stuff on Sunday. If one didn’t keep up, you’d never know it.

However, my Bible class teacher, a screaming leftist made the following statement two weeks ago. “I’m more afraid of the radical Christians than I am of Muslims.”

I haven’t been back to that class, but will try to go back.

The problem is, I cause a lot of dissension in the class when I speak my mind and I can’t seem to help doing so.


43 posted on 09/24/2010 3:21:40 PM PDT by altura
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To: Aliska

Thank God, you left.


44 posted on 09/24/2010 3:22:25 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: c-b 1; SueDi52
Women preaching from pulpits, or serving as Bishops, is in direct violation of God's Word.

For what it's worth, in the church of Christ, women don't teach in any adult classes or in the worship service.

Here's an article about that from a coC perspective. Since each congregation is autonomous, what you read there may not apply to every single church of Christ assembly but it is what I've found everywhere.

I'll also hasten to add that I visited a Cumberland Presbyterian congregation not too long ago and found it politically Conservative. I think that most churches arising from the Stone-Campbell movement will gravitate toward Conservatism. YMMV.

45 posted on 09/24/2010 3:22:25 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: SueDi52

There are many apostate churches. Not everyone who cries lord, lord is heard. Love God not Baal, who is the lord of nature and self gratification.


46 posted on 09/24/2010 3:23:52 PM PDT by Armaggedon
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To: re_nortex

Well, I’m not so conservative as to believe it’s wrong for women to be priests or church leaders.

However, we’ve had a woman priest for the last 9 years and it just isn’t working for me.

Nothing wrong with her, she’s a fine woman but ....

So, I really don’t fit in anywhere so I might as well stay where I am.


47 posted on 09/24/2010 3:25:39 PM PDT by altura
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To: re_nortex
FWIW, women do not preach or teach adults in our conservative Lutheran Church Missouri Synod but our pastor did one Sunday ask me to tell the adult class about the NCC as he knew it was a special interest of mine.

I can't believe the ignorance that exists on the NCC.

There is no excuse for any conservative to ever attend any NCC "church". To drop one penny in the collection plate is putting their stamp of approval on supporting Democrats' radical agenda.

48 posted on 09/24/2010 3:27:43 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: altura
Run, don't walk away from the Episcopalian "church". They are among the worst.

Find a good Lutheran Church Missouri Synod and you will be happy and comfortable.

The LCMS just elected a new very conservative president.

49 posted on 09/24/2010 3:31:44 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I am convinced that once this alliance with the Devil happens, there is only one thing to do and that is to run as fast as possible.

Amen!

Your locale puts you in Iowa if I'm not mistaken. My work takes me up there frequently (around the axis from Des Moines to Ft. Dodge and over to Waterloo).

What I can't understand is how those otherwise good, salt-of-the-earth people are so danged liberal! I know the Des Moines Register is extremely hard left and is the default paper of record for the entire state. Being from Texas, I get a lot heat up there from many in Iowa. They can't understand why I'm opposed to Obama and his programs, notably his socialist healthcare that he foisted on an unwilling America. They also think we Texans are Neanderthals because of our support for the death penalty.

Maybe it's just the luck of the draw -- but my experience, by and large, is the Iowa has a lot more liberals than it should have given the demographics. Can you please tell me if I've just been running into the wrong folks or is there merit in my observations?

50 posted on 09/24/2010 3:32:35 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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