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Bryan Fischer: Firefighters did the Christian thing in letting house burn
The Examiner ^ | 10/7/10 | Joe Speranzella SFO

Posted on 10/07/2010 7:04:54 AM PDT by Catholic Examiner

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To: UCANSEE2
Would you give up your job, to put out that fire ?

Yep!

81 posted on 10/07/2010 8:57:05 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: al_c

It is obvious to me that you are not aware of how hazardous fire fighting is on a daily basis. Never forget that responding to an ORDINARY house fire can get a firefighter killed. Propane tanks, toxic chemicals, unknown and perhaps non compliant construction, flamable furniture and a whole bunch of unknowns creates a difficult and hazardous environment.

Please see this report on firefighter injuries: http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/PDF/OS.patterns.pdf


82 posted on 10/07/2010 8:58:13 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: stuartcr

I’m not sure that’s feasible.

First, as others have pointed otu, there’s the insurance aspect for the firemen tehmselves.

Plus, while the guy may agree to any terms offered at the time, would you be able to collect? Does he even have the money? Would he pay you, or claim he was under duress?


83 posted on 10/07/2010 8:58:32 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: blarney
Everyone deserves decency $75 is not a barometer for who should be treated decent and who should not.

Makes you wonder why he didn't just pay the $75. That's less than $7 a month.

In addition, he went to the local FD and punched the Chief in the nose. How decent is that, considering he REFUSED TO PAY FOR THEIR SERVICE?

84 posted on 10/07/2010 9:00:18 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Venturer

The voters have an option to go to a tax supported fire system or not. An entrepreneur or a group of affected citizens can install a volunteer FD in the absence of a tax supported system but the citizenry who want the protection have to pay the price directly instead of indirectly and more expensively through their taxes. He who refuses to pay for the service is making a bet. If he loses the bet, well, he has lost the bet. No one at the table is going to or should push another stack of chips over to his place. The assumption is the man is an adult and as such can make his own decisions, including bad ones. If the society must compensate and correct everyone’s bad decisions then there will be no longer any incentive to make good ones and soon no more resources to compensate for bad ones.


85 posted on 10/07/2010 9:00:18 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: ontap
...of course proving it would be next to impossible!

OH... I don't know about that. Seems an arson investigation could be done.

86 posted on 10/07/2010 9:02:05 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: NEMDF
I am curious as to whether they had homeowners’ insurance. It would seem that you would not be able to get it unless you had fire protection, such as, could prove you paid your $75 each year.

Yes, he had insurance. Which lends credibility to his claim that he forgot to pay the $75. They need to look into previous years to see if he made payments during those times. If not, then he's lying and the insurance company would probably cancel his policy over it. If he did, then he's telling the truth.

87 posted on 10/07/2010 9:04:15 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: taxcontrol

I never claimed to be an expert ... nor did I sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.


88 posted on 10/07/2010 9:05:42 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Pessimist

If you don’t like the Fire Department you must really hate the Police Department and their Union, the Sanitation Department, and their’s ,and for that matter any of the Government sponsored entities that serve you.

A certain amount of Socialism is necessary I suppose since none of us live in the Wild West and are completely self-sufficient.

I am certainly no proponent of Socialism and would keep Government to a minimum, but there are certain service’s we cannot live without.

I said this was a bad system and it is.Something better should be worked out. No one should lose their home because they are too cheap or too poor to pay the $75 bucks.

By the way I would have paid it too.In fact I do donate more than that to my local Volunteers, but they still respond to many homes who do not donate.


89 posted on 10/07/2010 9:06:15 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: UCANSEE2

Whatever the reason there was no reason for a bunch of capable people with the tools to help to sit there and watch his stuff burn up. People can talk about the bible all they want but there is no way a caring god nor a decent person would have sat there in that situation and watched it burn.


90 posted on 10/07/2010 9:06:22 AM PDT by blarney
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To: arthurus
The FD certainly should not have responded in the first place, knowing the fellow had declined the subscription.

IIRC, the FD responded to reports of a fire on that block. It appears they didn't have, or know, the exact address until they got there. Then, they found that address was not on the payor list. Plus, the other homeowners were payed up, and the FD was there to provide services to them. One other house caught fire, and IIRC, they didn't let it burn to the ground.

91 posted on 10/07/2010 9:06:59 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Hodar

I stopped on the road south of Jacksonville FL 20 some years ago because the woods beside the road were on fire. Several houses were in immediate danger. A number of motorists, myself included, and neighbors were out with shovels and blankets fighting the fire. The local volunteer FD arrived and discovered that they had a wrong address and the correct addresses were not subscribed. Those of us working on the fire cussed the FD until the situation got explained then we simply pitied the homeowners who had made bad bets. But we stayed with the fire until it was out.


92 posted on 10/07/2010 9:07:28 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: UCANSEE2

No Not really.

Decent people don’t sit back and watch others people have horrible things happen and not help especially when they have to tools.


93 posted on 10/07/2010 9:07:32 AM PDT by blarney
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To: al_c

Would you have paid the $75 fee so he could have coverage?


94 posted on 10/07/2010 9:09:45 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2
Would you have paid the $75 fee so he could have coverage?

If he was my neighbor and in need ... sure.

95 posted on 10/07/2010 9:15:28 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Catholic Examiner

Do you have to pay your taxes for the police to respond to a call? What a load of baloney! The state should have a law everybody is covered! If it was your house what then. What if the fire was so bad the whole town went up. A bunch of nonsense. I can’t even believe the reply comments on this post. So if your wife is raped by a gang and you did not pay your taxes you get no help. Listen to yourselves! WOW!


96 posted on 10/07/2010 9:18:49 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: al_c
Which lends credibility to his claim that he forgot to pay the $75. They need to look into previous years to see if he made payments during those times.

According to HIS WIFE, they didn't pay LAST YEAR EITHER. The FD 'waived' the fee last year and provided the coverage anyway. She wanted to know wny they couldn't just DO IT THIS YEAR TOO.

The truth is coming out about this case. And it may not be pretty.

97 posted on 10/07/2010 9:18:49 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: All

Do you have to pay your taxes for the police to respond to a call? What a load of baloney! The state should have a law everybody is covered! If it was your house what then. What if the fire was so bad the whole town went up. A bunch of nonsense. I can’t even believe the reply comments on this post. So if your wife is raped by a gang and you did not pay your taxes you get no help. Listen to yourselves! WOW!


98 posted on 10/07/2010 9:19:22 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: UCANSEE2

That’s the way it was when I lived in FL.


99 posted on 10/07/2010 9:20:14 AM PDT by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Pessimist

For $75, I bet a collection would have come up with that in no time, or chalk it up as a lost pair of boots.


100 posted on 10/07/2010 9:23:56 AM PDT by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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