Posted on 10/24/2010 8:40:45 AM PDT by Albion Wilde
I wish people would learn to read and to think.
The actual quote from my post:
Phrases like "Novus Ordo church" are indicative of such a follower ...
The phrase in question is "Novus Ordo church", not "Novus Ordo" ... It implies that those who assist at Mass according to the Ordinary Form are in a different Church from those who assist at Mass according to the Extraordinary Form. Such implication is schismatic in intent.
The rest of your post is irrelevant, frankly: it is based on a gross misunderstanding of what I wrote.
Try again.
Wrong. Again.
I assumed nothing.
You've provided a wealth of information about yourself, though, for which I thank you.
I wish people would learn to read and to think...
...remember, Jesus would have you kindly indulge the stupid...
It implies that those who assist at Mass according to the Ordinary Form are in a different Church from those who assist at Mass according to the Extraordinary Form. Such implication is schismatic in intent...
...oh, it implies that, does it? One wonders then how the term “Novus Ordo church” is in any way shape or form different from the term “post conciliar church” which is routinely used, (as is its complement “pre conciliar church”) in referencing the dominant form of worship subsequent to Missale Romanum 1970? Again I ask, is such implication also not subject to such intentional schism? Do not both terms suggest separate worships that you deem necessary for for such, ah, misdirected thinking?
By the way, I enjoy this banter with you most acutely...I rarely post on blogs, though I peruse them eagerly...but it’s seldom that informed back and forth can be had...much obliged...
A wise man would ask what I think of that term ...
Again I ask
I didn't see you ask the first time.
is such implication also not subject to such intentional schism?
I'm not quite sure how to parse that question ... but it does seem to be asking what I think of “post conciliar church” ... so I'll reply to that, in the hope that I'm headed in the right direction.
“Post conciliar church” and the accompanying epithet "preconciliar" does suggest a schismatic attitude. I've been accused of being "preconciliar" many times, beginning to the early 1970s. In general, my treatment of the "spirit of vatican II" schismatics is far harsher that of the "Traditionalist" schismatics. The modernist types are generally heretics as well.
The rise in lay conservative fervor comes at a time when the need for activism would seem less urgent. The U.S. hierarchy has seen a wave of retirements in recent years that has swept out leading liberals. The men taking their place are generally more traditional and willing to take a harder line against disobedient Catholics, from politicians to parishioners.But even with these changes, bloggers say too few prelates speak out. The activists also say that since the 1970s, after the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council, liberals have filled the bureaucracy of the church, hiding dissent from the bishops they serve.
The article -- from Townhall! -- has a strangely alarmed tone to it, like David Brooks sounds talking of the Tea Party. Why is it that need for stronger Church is less urgent because the liberals are retiring? Are we supposed to wait till some crypto commie or a proabort whore retires?
Good thing the Church is not a democracy.
The original article was from AP, and has been republished on many sites, among which is Townhall. To me, the "fair'n'balanced" paragraph you cited sounds like a requirement of AP style -- always to include an opposing viewpoint, or something of that sort.
If you give in the collection basket that money is subject to the “parish tax” paid to the diocese. If you give to a specific fund within the parish (development fund, education fund, heat, snowplowing etc) this money should stay within the parish.
Ah, OK. I was worried that the Townhall folk were getting soft in the head.
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