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To: Balt
This theory, of course, was rampant in the Church long before the time of St. Thomas, which is why the practice of the Eastern Churches reflects it.1 Guess where it comes from. Go ahead, guess.... St. Augustine!

I don't know why he figures St. Augustine is where the Eastern Catholics got this, because we Eastern Orthodox didn't get it from there.

Our bishops are consecrated, and the only power a bishop has over another bishop is to excommunicate. The consecration is forever valid and irrevocable. The Catholics recognize all Eastern Orthodox consecrations as valid.

7 posted on 10/26/2010 4:41:12 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: triumphant values
The consecration is forever valid and irrevocable. The Catholics recognize all Eastern Orthodox consecrations as valid.

I think you may have missed something important in what I was saying, probably because I was speaking in a Catholic way, using the Catholic meanings of the words. Using the Catholic definition of the terms, it makes no sense to speak of the "validity" of a consecration, since a consecration, unlike an ordination, does not have sacramental effets. Your comment would seem to indicate that you're using the word "consecration" to mean what a Catholic means by "ordination".

A simple consecration is neither valid nor invalid, since it does not impart any supernatural effects. That's the whole point of my article: that the making of a bishop is not a participation in any sacrament.

8 posted on 10/26/2010 6:17:27 PM PDT by Balt (http://master-of-divinity.com)
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