Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
I mention your God because he appears in the "self-authenticating" book of yours under that name, among others.
You write as if you have seen him in person.
No, the book where he appears is not a real book.
Do you speak about Alice in Wonderland much?
Never. Obviously, you do.
It’s already established you believe in Santa.
really? I never mentioned Santa; you did.
More OT prophecy of John The Baptist and the coming of Jesus fulfilled.
Isaiah 40
A voice cries:
“In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord;
make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Every valley shall be lifted up,
and every mountain and hill be made low;
the uneven ground shall become level,
and the rough places a plain.
And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed,
and all flesh shall see it together,
for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”
John 19:23-25
23 When the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they took his garments and divided them into four parts, one part for each soldier; also his tunic. But the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom, 24so they said to one another, “Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it to see whose it shall be.” This was to fulfill the Scripture which says,
“They divided my garments among them,
and for my clothing they cast lots.”
So the soldiers did these things, 25 but standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
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Psalm 22:17I can count all my bones—they stare and gloat over me; 18 they divide my garments among them,
and for my clothing they cast lots.
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For that matter, all of Psalm 22 written centuries before Christ came and died, prophesied about Him.
There’s proof for you, although it’s just as likely to be dismissed by anyone who doesn’t WANT to believe, and that’s all it ever gets down to. For the one who doesn’t want to believe, even a material, confirmed resurrection, wouldn’t be enough.
Even if someone rises from the dead, they won’t be convinced.
Actually, it's a perfect example that people who claim to know the divine can't interpret correctly a simple chapter. Read the whole chapter.
kosta:Archeology.
Your opinion.
You can't KNOW it's true or state it's true. You're just depending on someone else's evaluation of forensic evidence. Very subjective and unreliable. Lots of assumptions being made.
Since you admit that you don't know what truth is, you can't say for sure what they found because you don't KNOW what's true.
You'll have to provide better evidence than that if you expect us to believe you. We're certainly not going to take the word of an anonymous internet poster who is self-admittedly ignorant.
You state that you don't even know if God exists. That renders you singularly unqualified to correctly discern and interpret any writings about or by Him.
If you want any credibility in your statements about theology, Scripture, any spiritual matter, you need to know it.
You're no different than a blind man telling a sighted man that he's wrong about what he sees.
Or are you now telling us you're an expert in magic books or something you don't know?
Incorrect! A true Christian believes wholly what God has revealed in his word. You claim Catholics believe "directly" and "non-Catholics" believe "selectively" through a filter of our pastor. I sure would like to know how you are defining "directly" here because you have ALWAYS used the filter of your magesterium to know what you are to believe which sure sounds no different than the dreaded "pastor" you deem inferior to your priests. In fact, most Catholics were not even given a chance to read what the Bible actually said until 500 or so years ago. They were entirely dependent on their "pastors/priest" to know anything at all concerning the faith and that is exactly how they would have remained if Rome had her choice, I'm sure.
And regarding the fasting parameters prior to communion, we were taught, no it was pounded into our heads, that to disobey this mandate/commandment was a mortal sin worthy of hell that must be confessed and properly penanced. So don't tell me it was a simple, little, inconsequential church custom or personal discipline. The specific requirements of the fast have definitely changed over time. Prior to 1964, the Eucharistic fast began at midnight. Pope Paul VI, on Nov. 21, 1964, reduced the fast to a period of one hour. According to my Mom, a devout Roman Catholic, the fast is optional...ooops, I better let her know she's committing a mortal sin without even knowing it! There is even disagreement whether it is one hour before Mass starts or before you actually receive communion. Yeah...it sure sounds like that is a clear teaching all right. A lesson I remember from a nun at school was the adage, "Clean off your own doorstep before you try to clean off someone else's.". That was good advice then and still is.
That a symbol such as A, B, C stand for something real, material. Apples, oranges, eggs, you name it. If they don't then the whole A=B, B=C, A=C is meaningless.
In the closed, accidental conglomeration of matter in motion, otherwise know as the universe, what is your foundation for any of these non-material "abstractions"...No one can see or touch any of these things you're referring to .
The foundation is the definition of what A stands for, rather than writing it out; it's a shorthand. Thus instead of redundant long-hand (descirptivie) exposition we use a short-hand (gformula) method to write out the relationship to a conclusion that is dem onstrably provable.
How can chemical reactions account for non-material laws?
What non-material laws?
If logic comes from the material world then it is not timeless, universal, and unchanging. Is logic absolute or is it merely conventional?
Conventional, of course. Made to order of our physical and chemical makeup. For instanc,e ti si perfectly "logical" that chicken wire fence is atrue barrier for a man, but not for a mouse. The atoms of your house are like a football field for a neutrino top fly through. What is 'logical' to us is determined by our size, shape, that is our material makeup. Sou our logic is not trasncedental but accidental to our size and shape, and "wiring".
If it is merely conventional, rational debate would be impossible because there could be as many standards as there are people
That just about describes the Protestant community, doesn't it? :)
You’re ignoring Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. 19And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly.
20But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:
23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us).
24When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, 25but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.
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I’ve posted this to you before and you have not responded to it. You’ve ignored it. So I’ll ask you the question again. Matthew says that it was fulfilled prophecy.
Was Matthew lying when he wrote that?
Why should we believe you over him?
Yeppers.
You got that one right.
Catholicism is the one that demands it’s adherents believe what is spoonfed to them by the magesterium.
They’re not allowed to think for themselves under the threat of eternal fire and brimstone. And then they brag how Catholic doctrine is unified and unchanging (when it really isn’t).
It’s not hard to figure out why when defying church teaching risks your eternal destiny.
Talk about beliefs being filtered through the clergy.....
Isaiah 52 is not a prophesy about Jesus, and neither is Isiah 53 while we are at it. Isa 52:14 says "Indeed my servant shall proper, be exalted and raised to great heights." Isaiah's servant (on numerous occasions) is identified as Israel.
How do we know that? Simple, you read the whole thing: Isaiah 41:8, "But you, Israel, My servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, seed of Abraham my friend"
Isaiah 44:1 "But hear, now, O Jacob My servant, Israel whom I have chosen!"
Isaiah 44:21 "Remember these things, O Jacob for you, O Israel, are My servant"
Isaiah 49:3 "And he said to me, "You are My servant, Israel in whom I glory.""
Your own verse (14) says that he will be disfigured beyond that of any man. Wow! let's read this again disfigured beyond that of any man. You mean no othe rhuman ever was so disfigured or that one could not tell if he was human or not? Neither is what the Gospels describe.
Isa 53:3-4, speak of a man afflicted and crushed by disease. Jesus, according to the Bible, was neither.
The Isa 53:10 says that if he made himself a guilt offering he might have offspring and have a long life! Surely that doesn't apply to Jesus, does it? Or if you say it does, then he didn't make hismelf a guilt offeirng.
I would expect better from people who pour over the Bible as much as some claim they do, and with "spiritual discernment" at that.
This reminded me of a Lewis Grizzard story about a good friend of his at his bachelor party. The groom-to-be was heading to another room to "be alone" with one of the exotic dancers at the club hosting the party. Lewis stopped him and said, "Man, what are you doing? You're getting married tomorrow to a wonderful gal.", to which his friend replied, "Yeah, you're right, I've found what I was looking for, but I'm not done looking yet."
I often wonder if that's what is going on with people who forsake their faith and are still looking.
There's a lot more evidence that Luther existed than the real identity of those who wrote the Gospels.
Babbling idiots - a dime a dozen who have nothing to say but need to be heard.
Then, why do you hang out with them?
Just how near is that?
And you can't seem to handle that because you are always looking, never finding.
The "self-authenticating" book says: seek and ye shall find. You ought to try it. You may learn something. :)
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