Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
From the guy who believes in soul sleep and denies the Catholic church teaching on the eternal torment of hell?
You demand blind obedience yet can't agree on what that means.
"Blind obedience" to what?
Seems that ya'll could afford some kind of Maginsetium, but that would limit your freedom to interpret God's Word to mean what ever you want it to....
Don't you feel free to pick and choose what of Catholic doctrine you want to believe since you deny the doctrine of eternal torment in hell that the Catholic church teaches in the Catechism of the Catholic church?
From the guy who believes in soul sleep and denies the Catholic church teaching on the eternal torment of hell?
You demand blind obedience yet can't agree on what that means.
"Blind obedience" to what?
Seems that ya'll could afford some kind of Maginsetium, but that would limit your freedom to interpret God's Word to mean what ever you want it to....
Don't you feel free to pick and choose what of Catholic doctrine you want to believe since you deny the doctrine of eternal torment in hell that the Catholic church teaches in the Catechism of the Catholic church?
On the contrary, we believe the Bible. That fact that sometimes the Catholic church agrees with it too it irrelevant.
It's certainly no indicator of our opinion on Catholic doctrine. Even the Catholics get it right when they use Scripture instead of Tradition.
Like reading a novel, the Iliad, Gilgamesh, etc..
To discern means more than just to view. It means to understand. How does someone understand something he doesn't believe exists? How do you know, discern, understand what you say isn't there?
Your answer is that it's like any work of fiction - you read about and thus you "know" about it and you "know" enough about it to dismiss it as unreal.
But that's third hand. You're only "knowing" what someone else is telling you about something. You cannot know for yourself since you say it doesn't exist in the first place.
Exactly. If a believer agrees with a RCC teaching that is based on God’s Word, some Catholics take that as a blessing that everything the RCC teaches is Truth.
But that's not a correct presumption. All it means is that the Catholic got it right BECAUSE he went to God's word, instead of relying on men.
Kind of shoots down the 30,000 different interpretations of Scripture argument, don't it?
My, how magnanimous of you! You are incorrect, though, if by "Catholic" you mean the Roman Catholic Church because all true Christians are part of the body of Christ which is the "church". The word "catholic" simply means universal so that usage by definition would be correct. However, that specific word has been hijacked by the church of Rome and used almost exclusively by them. I feel it should be reclaimed back from them much like the word "choice" has been hijacked by the pro-abortion crowd. Your denigrated view of non-Catholics as "defective" shows only your own defects since the catholic church existed many centuries before the Catholic one did.
So, how do you know?
No, the author of my posts, me, says erroneous belief is not intentional deception.
You don't even KNOW the author
No I don't, and chance are neither do you, unless you lived back in 1st century and personally knew the human being who wrote the text. In which case you have a lot 'splainin to do.
You are interpreting, casting YOUR OWN thoughts - that you are NOT equipped for
You are interpreting yourself. What makes you think you are "qualified"? I don't believe you are. Do you any proof that you are?
Well put, NL.
By reading the Bible, and believing that it is the word of God and not like the fiction of "a novel, the Iliad," and being led by the Holy Spirit to "know the things of God."
And the proof that this understanding is correct reveals itself in the good fruit of my life.
I can hear you smirking from here. 8~)
Oh, yeah that's really very convincing/not/. Well documented too/not/. LOL! Really a learned and respectable/not/. Silly and pathetic, void of substance, cheap slonganism.
I'm not here to offer you anything
How charitable of someone who professes to be a Christian. Christians who have something to offer do, those who have nothing, don't. Especially if they are Christians in name only.
?YOU HAVE TO GET WHAT YOU NEED by yourself through the One that does the offering. It's called being accountable for yourself/your destiny
So, now you are recommending works-based results? I though you belonged to the sola fide crowd. What exactly is your Christian, if I can use that term loosely, denomination? The First Church of One?
Seems more like you are doomed!
Oh so now we go form "in spite of the fact you will be judged on it" you attenuate it to it seems. Not sure anymore? Running out of blanks?
Only if you ping me with silly comments. I need a good laugh every now and then.
The people of ressentement (F. Nieztsche) are what you are describing: preaching hate through "Christinaity". They are the ones who usually say "you wouldn't have liked me before I was 'saved'". Well, it's difficult to like them even after they have been 'saved'. So, what changed? Obviously they are delusional in their hatred for the Catholic Church. Sadly, many are apostate Catholics.
I suppose they didn't find the blanket forgiveness but were told they had to change their eivil side, and they would have none of it!
So they left and found home in the fringe Protestant never-never lands where all your sins are forgiven and you don't have to do a thing about them! Isn't that a perfect man-made religion? All the vile they carry was suddenly turned into virtue acceptable to their new God, and for the first time in their lives they could be "loved" without having to do anything about their dark side.
The way in which you apply God's word to anti Catholicism is acid in your overwhelming hatred of Catholicism that seemingly has consumed your whole being
They have no tolerance for anyone else's beliefs. It's their way or highway. Just like in Islam. And hatred is the common factor in both.
If you are going to quote me at least be accurate. I stated that I just didn't believe the fire and brimstone nonsense. I stated, and scripturally supported that there was no immortal soul for those who did not gain Salvation and that an eternity outside the presence and Love of Jesus was the greatest punishment. Only a moron would conclude that that denies the teachings of the Catholic Church.
Well said.
On the contrary, we don't know why it was written to look like OT prophesies were fulfilled. The reasons can be many.
In addition, by claiming that, you are accusing the Catholic church of deliberately perpetrating a falsehood, aka a lie.
The Catholic Church holds a very pious faith which has been consistent for at least 19 centuries. I am willing to say that neither the first Christians nor the Catholic Church deliberately lied about things, but based their conclusions on their faith, notable exceptions notwithstanding.
Attacking the veracity of Scripture, which the Catholic church claims it's based on, is also attacking the veracity of the Catholic church itself. And yet we hear what from the Catholics on this board?
The veracity of scriptures is a matter of faith, not fact. I only raise questions about biblical facts, i.e. what's in the Bible, not what people want to believe.
Could it be that their desire to see the basis of Protestantism trashed overrides their fidelity to the written word of God itself. What the hey, they have Tradition to fall back on if the Bible is discredited. it won't affect THEIR church any
Catholics don't want to see Protestantism thrashed. They don't believe in God who hates, but who teaches them to love even their enemies, and to pray for them.
Some of them have earnestly disagreed with me over the scriptures and respectably so (annalex, MarkBsnr, stfassisi, etc). They know that despite my agnosis I do not have anything personally against the Church or against God, whoever or whatever he may be, and that my comments are expressions of doubts, believing that even St. Thomas was an Apostle and was not anathematized for his doubts.
Most Catholics are realistic enough to know that what men do is not perfect, but they also believe that the scriptures, despite physical corruption, contain true faith discernable to believers and knowable to the Church since the day of the Pentecost. That's why they depend on the unchanged teachings of the Holy Tradition, the Apostolic and Church Fathers and Church Councils as backup and a source of proper interpretation of the faith.
Most of them actually feel sorry for the likes of me and pray to God every day that I regain my faith and return to the Church. You see, mm, they do this because they are actually Christians, who practice what they preach, and believe that mercy triumphs over judgment.
Who knows, maybe even you could spiritually profit from their example.
So, no bad things happen to good Christians? You associate your "blessings" with God's favor? How pagan.
God would not let an unbeliever know His Mind, which is what the Word is
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