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In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ


TOPICS: Prayer; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: reformation; savedbygrace
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To: presently no screen name
Still on your high horse? Who cares what you see or don’t see. You obviously think I care and obviously want me to care! LOL!

When you care to become Christian, please look me up. If you have decided that you are bound for heaven in the limousine of the Reformation, then say hi to the Greek gods, the Egyptian gods and the Norse gods at your destination.

4,621 posted on 12/03/2010 7:52:17 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom; annalex; boatbums
Holy Tradition

There is no such thing as 'Holy' Tradition. Jesus warned us frequently about the 'traditions of men' and following them in a very negative light.

The religious teachers of the Law attacked Jesus's disciples saying..."Why do your disciples break the traditions of the elders?..... They were always out to lambaste the Disciples as they saw them as a threat to what they perceived was their high level of authority and power over the people. The teachers of the Law were hard taskmasters Jesus had many "woes" to say to them for being so.

But Jesus did respond to this question clearly and to the point...."And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? ......."You nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. YOU HYPOCRITES. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you......These people honor me with their lips but their hearts are FAR from me. They worship me in vain, their TEACHINGS ARE BUT RULES taught by men...... Matt.15 and just one example.

The Catholic church has many traditions of teaching that are both offensive and fly in the face of what Jesus taught and the scriptures tell us. You can twist them all you want but they still do not measure up to the truth of what Christ has stated.

4,622 posted on 12/03/2010 7:52:20 PM PST by caww
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To: stfassisi; kosta50

“I pray for you to return to Divine Liturgy again”

We all are, sfa, as unworthy as our prayers really are.


4,623 posted on 12/03/2010 7:53:00 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: MarkBsnr
let me tell you what I have - I’m SAVED, I have ETERNAL LIFE now and I couldn’t be better! And all His promises to me are ‘yes’ and ‘Amen’!

That and five bucks gets me

"That" is not yours, it's mine. The 'that' you have, you will the $5.
4,624 posted on 12/03/2010 7:53:17 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: Kolokotronis

“”We all are, sfa, as unworthy as our prayers really are.””

Agreed!


4,625 posted on 12/03/2010 7:58:25 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: MarkBsnr

I left deception.

Catholics are always asking for company - misery loves company. Stew!


4,626 posted on 12/03/2010 7:59:08 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: Kolokotronis

That is just plain infatuation with a female cloaked in religious jargon. It sounds like the “Queen” the environmentalist called on at the opening of their summit. This does not speak of the Mary God had in mind..and who He announced would bring us the Christ...but is far more sinister IMO.


4,627 posted on 12/03/2010 7:59:56 PM PST by caww
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To: metmom; MarkBsnr; kosta50; OLD REGGIE; stfassisi
"...someone who admits that he doesn't even know if God exists, is singularly unqualified to speak on the topic of God or belief in God."

Oh, I don't know about that, m-mom. In Greek, God is often called "Ο ΩΝ", roughly, the "Being Who Created Being or Existence". If God created "existence", does God "exist"? Can't a true Christian say "I believe in God; God does not "exist"? This is not sophistry. It is an observation about what God is not.

4,628 posted on 12/03/2010 8:00:01 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: presently no screen name
let me tell you what I have - I’m SAVED, I have ETERNAL LIFE now and I couldn’t be better! And all His promises to me are ‘yes’ and ‘Amen’!

That and five bucks gets me

"That" is not yours, it's mine. The 'that' you have, you will the $5.

Do you know how outstandingly unChristian your post is? Can you even comprehend it?

4,629 posted on 12/03/2010 8:02:36 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: presently no screen name
I left deception.

Read your posts. By your own description, you have entered into deception and left the light of Christ. You arrogate upon yourself a salvation and attach mealy mouthed Jesus verses, but bereft of the Gospel. You mention the OT and Paul, but repudiate Jesus in your testimony. Nice job.

4,630 posted on 12/03/2010 8:05:05 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: caww; stfassisi; kosta50; MarkBsnr; annalex

“That is just plain infatuation with a female cloaked in religious jargon.”

Well, although the particular hymn I linked to was written in the 20th century, it is a variation on one from the 6th century by +Romanos the Melodist. My point is that this “in fatuation” with the Most Holy Theotokos, is very, very old. It is an infatuation shared by the Reformers themselves. The ignoring of the Mother of God is a relatively recent, and wholly Western European, phenomenon in the history of The Church.

BTW, the belief expressed in the hymn is shared by 1,500,000,000 Christians.


4,631 posted on 12/03/2010 8:06:30 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: MarkBsnr

Besides nullifying God’s Word, now you have a comprehension problem. Deception leads to destruction in many ways.

YOU are not my problem, you are the RCC’s problem.

And g’night. I’ll let you stew.

I am SAVED, I have ETERNAL LIFE now. And all His promises to me are ‘yes’ and ‘Amen’! Thank You, JESUS!


4,632 posted on 12/03/2010 8:09:26 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
I never said that the arrogant bozos declared salvation of their own doing. I said that they are arrogant in deciding that they were saved.

No, we believe God when He says that we are saved for believing in Him. Since when is taking God at His word *arrogant*?

You the individual are not Judged for salvation before you stand before Christ. If you declare that salvation now, then you are attempting to usurp Christ's role in Judgement and taking it upon yourself.

Nope.

You have no evidence that you are saved.

Sure. The fruit of a life of one trusting Christ.

1 John 2:1-6 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says "I know him" but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

The good works in which we walk, the love for the saints, the love of the Word, grief over sin, there are lots of indicators of ones relationship with Christ being genuine and current.

Why does it anger Catholics so much that someone has enough confidence in the promises of God that he can be sure of his standing before God.

When one confesses his sin to God and receives forgiveness, one is clothed in the righteousness of Christ. God sees the purity Christ in us (having been forgiven of the sin that defiles us), not our filthy works any more.

4,633 posted on 12/03/2010 8:14:15 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr

I went back and looked. There was no answer.

Would you bow down and kiss the koran to appease a muslim?

It’s a simple question. There’s hardly a way to weasel out of answering just *yes* or *no*.


4,634 posted on 12/03/2010 8:20:09 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Your personal beliefs do not necessarily correspond to the truth of Christ.

My personal; beliefs do not correspond to the Catholic church, which is not synonymous with the truth of Christ.

4,635 posted on 12/03/2010 8:24:35 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr

I will take my instructions from Christ via Matthew and Luke rather than opposing instructions from Isaiah. That is a rather significant gulf that separates Christians from the children of the Reformation. You guys love Isaiah. We love Christ.


I see Catholics don’t like Isaiah and the don’t like Paul
So maybe then you will listen to this ?

Mathew 4:8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to him, “All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written,

“‘You shall worship the Lord your God
and him only shall you serve.’”

Check your Bible , it’s written in red.


4,636 posted on 12/03/2010 8:26:26 PM PST by Lera
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To: Kolokotronis
I have no problem recognizing Marys role. I have a serious problem when adoration of her is to the magnitude that hymn expresses. Mary was not at all about herself...she always praised and honored God and never expected nor desired the adulation and extreme worship that is given her.

As for the history of this infatuation you have stated...there are many thoughts ideas, traditions and such which thru time and tide have been set aside and rightfully so. God is very keen to correct man when he attempts to put anything in-between the relationship we share with Him, especially when it interferes with the worship and praise He is worthy of.

People are designed to worship...some worship out of obedience alone...others out of heartfelt devotion...and still others to follow the crowd and feel included. But it is to the Lord alone we are to focus that worship...not to those who have departed and are enjoying Him in heaven.

I just cannot comprehend why people would exchange, let alone find pleasure in seeking anyone other than the Jesus. But then we were warned that man would do just that...and the 1,500,000 you mentioned are a drop in the bucket of those who are ripe for deception.... "narrow is the way and few who find it".

4,637 posted on 12/03/2010 8:30:42 PM PST by caww
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To: presently no screen name
I am SAVED, I have ETERNAL LIFE now. And all His promises to me are ‘yes’ and ‘Amen’! Thank You, JESUS!

Where has God promised anything to the artist known as presently no screen name? Scripture, please. I will look for your name in particular. God made promises to Christians; He has made nothing to you in particualar, unless you have emails or texts that you'd be willing to share...

4,638 posted on 12/03/2010 8:32:39 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom
No, we believe God when He says that we are saved for believing in Him. Since when is taking God at His word *arrogant*?

Since you at your word do not believe in the God of Christiantiy, indeed you have left that belief, why should I believe that you are saved?

Why does it anger Catholics so much that someone has enough confidence in the promises of God that he can be sure of his standing before God.

No anger. Just rejection that one can Judge one's self. That is unScriptural and unChristian. Those who believe it are not acting in a Christian manner.

When one confesses his sin to God and receives forgiveness, one is clothed in the righteousness of Christ. God sees the purity Christ in us (having been forgiven of the sin that defiles us), not our filthy works any more.

And when one sins again, all those sins remove one's self from God again. Your sinful works separate yourself from God. No salvation until further repentence for those very sinful works.

4,639 posted on 12/03/2010 8:37:30 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom
"You have provided neither Scripture nor Catholic sources to support your obviously erroneous viewpoint of Catholic church doctrine."

Reread post #4001.

"There is Scripture and the Catechism of the Catholic church which teaches the immortality of the soul, which you’ve denied in your previous posts, and eternal punishment, which you’ve also denied in your previous post."

There is eternal life for the saved, but the ages of sin are death, which is also eternal. Reread post #4001.

"Your statements are at odds with the clear position of the Catholic church and the clear teachings of Jesus in the Gospels on the issue.

No, my statements are only at odds with the fringe element of the so-called reformation.

Every man his own pope."

I believe that the correct phrase, attributed to Luther, was that he lamented that "every milkmaid" thought she could interpret scripture correctly. (Boy did he get that one right).

4,640 posted on 12/03/2010 8:37:34 PM PST by Natural Law
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