Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
I'll take that as a "yes" to my question. :)
It's just that I have been (self)appointed to find you and return you when you have wandered off the reservation, or as in this situation, forgotten your address.
:)
The word "purgatory" occurs exactly four times in the Catechism of the Catholic Church but only once in the Baltimore Catechism, but thank you for reinforcing my point that the posting by RnMomof7 was deceptive by its very incompleteness.
You have to admit it is amazing how much truth and beauty even decrepit old anti-Catholic goofballs can find in the full Catechism of the Catholic Church. If my post led you to revisit it I succeeded.
Wrong! :) You see, the Greeks invented the word "barbarian," and it refers to anyone who doesn't speak Greek. :)
You assume too much but I guess that’s what sinners do.
They assume what is true.
So purgatory is NOT cleansing from sin...is that your final answer?
Obsolete???So the Doctrine of the Catholic church DOES change ...
I think I comprehend more than you might like
Confession is such a great sacrament! Your comment puts me in mind of a comment Dietrich Bonhoeffer (whom I usually disregard) once wrote about Protestant Christians, but I suppose it could apply to all who do not avail themselves of this sacrament:
““He who is alone with his sin is utterly alone. It may be that Christians, notwithstanding corporate worship, common prayer, and all their fellowship in service, may still be left to their loneliness. The final break-through to fellowship does not occur, because, though they have fellowship with one another as believers and as devout people, they do not have fellowship as the undevout, as sinners. The pious fellowship permits no one to be a sinner. So everybody must conceal his sin from himself and from the fellowship. We dare not be sinners. Many Christians are unthinkably horrified when a real sinner is suddenly discovered among the righteous. So we remain alone with our sin, living in lies and hypocrisy…In confession the break-through to community takes place. Sin demands to have a man by himself. It withdraws him from the community. The more isolated a person is, the more destructive will be the power of sin over him, and the more deeply he becomes involved in it, the more disastrous is his isolation. Sins wants to remain unknown. It shuns the light. In the darkness of the unexpressed it poisons the whole being of a person. This can happen even in the midst of a pious community. In confession the light of the Gospel breaks into the darkness and seclusion of the heart. The sin must be brought into the light. The unexpressed must be openly spoken and acknowledged. All that is secret and hidden is openly manifest. It is a hard struggle until the sin is openly admitted…The expressed, acknowledged sin has lost all its power. It has been revealed and judged as sin. It can no longer tear the fellowship asunder. Now the fellowship bears the sin of the brother. He is no longer alone with his evil for he has cast off his sin in confession and handed it over to God. It has been taken away from him. Now he stands in the fellowship of sinners who live by the grace of God in the Cross of Jesus Christ. Now he can be a sinner and still enjoy the grace of God. He can confess his sins and in this very act find fellowship for the first time. The sin concealed separated him from the fellowship, made all his apparent fellowship a sham; the sin confessed has helped him to find true fellowship with the brethren in Jesus Christ…If a Christian is in the fellowship of confession with a brother he will never be alone again, anywhere…”
How do you separate you from your understanding, FK?
INDEED.
Thanks for using the gif. Feel free.
No, but the teaching materials do. Just wondering, how would you explain immaculate conception to six year olds? How does your cult do it?
Every single time.
"But anyone with more than a single digit IQ score knows that."
One would think so, but the evidence is to the contrary.
So their teaching material was wrong when it said that purgatory dealt with the sin of the man? how is it it had an imprimatur? The catholic Encyclopedia is also obsolete?? I believe it also has an imprimatur
If I thought for a minute that you were legitimately interested in the truth I would humor you with an answer, but after years of playing your little gotcha games I know all you are using these questions for is a foil. I am not going to participate further in your using the Religion Forum as wall to throw crap against simply to see what sticks....Merry Christmas.
Not the way they write.
Thanks much, I think I see much better now where you're coming from. From the above description I don't see us being miles and miles apart. Even though we Reformers believe in double predestination, we still say that it is our own fault for going to hell. As I'm sure you would agree, there is simply no way around the Biblical concept that none is with excuse. We have likewise been criticized for apparent problems with logic on this, but still, we say, God has no obligation to follow human notions of what we call "fairness". He is sovereign and can choose as He wishes. If His choice leaves "A" only able to sin, then that's how it is. "A" still commits the sin (or has sin) and is guilty.
Well, Forest Keeper, that will have to be enough for now. I hope you find this at least informative, if not even helpful.
Yes, very much so, thank you. This is all new to me.
We don't teach fairy tales to our children. We teach them the truth found in Scripture.
You poison the minds of the innocents.
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