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To: annalex; The Theophilus; metmom; presently no screen name
Mary listed in Mark 15:40 is the mother of more sons than just Jesus. Because the next argument is that Mary had a blood sister named Mary

Mary in 15:40 is the mother of the sons James, and Joseph. She is not Mary the Mother of God -- obviously since the Evangelist descrbing the crucifixion of Jesus would not omit the only relevant relation of that Mary, to Jesus, were that true. Neither is she necessarily a sister of Mary. She is some kid on relative also named Mary.

Several times you have claimed the Mary, mother of James and Joses, is not Mary, the mother of Jesus and several times I have asked if you are suggesting Mary, mother of Jesus, was not there.

See for one example. #2561

I ask one more time - are you saying that the Mary, mother of James and Joses in Mark 15:40 is not the mother of Jesus and was not present at the time?

2,892 posted on 11/22/2010 12:18:41 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE; annalex; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; ...
Several times you have claimed the Mary, mother of James and Joses, is not Mary, the mother of Jesus and several times I have asked if you are suggesting Mary, mother of Jesus, was not there.

There were THREE women named Mary at the Crucifixion of our Lord:

John 19:25 (multiple translations to be sure that there aren't any questions):

Douay-Rheims
Now there stood by the cross of Jesus, his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen.

King James Version
Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

New International Version
Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.

Now, these are the woman Saint John (who, unlike Saints Matthew and Mark, was ALSO present and is speaking from his own personal experience and not what has been told to him) says was there:

1. Mary, the mother of God
2. Mary, the wife of Cleophas (and presumably the sister of the Blessed Mother, though it is possible that the sister is a fourth woman who is not named) and the mother of James and Joses
3. Mary Magdalene

Now, it seems to me that we have two choices:
1. We accept what Saint John wrote about the three Marys and conclude that Saints Matthew and Mark were only speaking of the two Marys being "afar off" and that they saw no need to mention that the mother of God was at the foot of the Cross with Saint John.
or
2. We determine that the Gospel of Saint John contradicts the Gospels of Saints Matthew and Mark. However, it must be pointed out that anyone who accepts this proposition must also be prepared to accept that EVERY VERSE in the Bible is false.

Keep in mind that Matthew 27:56 speaks of yet ANOTHER woman since it also mentions the mother of the sons of Zebedee and it has never been suggested that Saint James the Apostle and Saint John were relatives of Christ.

2,894 posted on 11/22/2010 1:07:08 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: OLD REGGIE; The Theophilus; metmom; presently no screen name
I ask one more time

I run about a week behind answering. This gap is not going to improve. Rest assured, everybody, if you pose a serious question, I will answer. If you see that I caught up with posts more recent than yours, I somehow missed your post. Then remind me by freepmail and point to the post I missed.

are you saying that the Mary, mother of James and Joses in Mark 15:40 is not the mother of Jesus and was not present at the time?

Combining all accounts (specifically Mark's and John's) we understand that Mary the Mother of God and Evangelist John were at the foot of the Cross. Mary the mother of James and Joses and Salome who is also the wife of one Cleophas, as well as Mary Magdalene and unnamed other women, and the Centurion, were at some distance away but also present. Three Marys in all among the named ones.

Here's a traditional icon of the scene:

Mary the Mother of God, and St,. John are in the foreground, nimbed. There are three more women in the background behind Mary, that is the two other Marys and an unnamed woman. The centurion is farther to Christ's left. The icon also shows multiple angels.

4,096 posted on 12/01/2010 7:50:24 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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