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To: Dr. Eckleburg
If there's anything in the NT that speaks against what the RCC teaches, it's this passage....

Galatians 3:1-14 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"?

Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed." So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith." But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

No wonder they rail against Paul so much. His teachings nullify their church doctrine.

4,152 posted on 12/01/2010 10:17:51 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Great Scripture, metmom. The word of God convicts all those who look to their own good works for salvation.

"Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?"

Rome chooses poorly.

4,157 posted on 12/01/2010 10:41:45 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: metmom; Judith Anne; narses; Natural Law
Sigh... The Church holds Paul in high respect, SAINT Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles. However, we do not replace the Gospels with Pauline Epistles. The epistles of St. Paul are meant as work upon the Gospels, not a replacement for them. Hence, when we read Paul (which we do at every mass), we read it in context of the Gospels - because +Paul comments on the Gospels and you may say "expands" on them.

To read +Paul in exclusion leads to errors like the one you made here. To read each verse of +Paul out of context leads to even more errors.

Let's dissect the excerpt Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

Who is +Paul's audience in Galatians? A gentile Church that now had Judaizers coming in and saying basically "you must become Jewish first to become Christian", "you must follow the Law of Moses" (and always when +Paul refers to THE LAW, he means this)
4,227 posted on 12/02/2010 4:22:15 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: metmom; Dr. Eckleburg
[St. Pauls'] teachings [in Gal 3:1-14] nullify their church doctrine

That we are not saved by the works of the law IS the Church's doctrine. It is usually a good idea to know a little bit of the subject you opine about.

4,988 posted on 12/08/2010 5:35:31 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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