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To: Belteshazzar
as strongly believed as the perpetual virginity of Mary was among the church fathers, such teaching never found its way into any of the ecumenical creeds

Ah, OK. The perpetual virginity of Mary is not in any creeds. But that is not the same as saying that it is not in any patristic writing. The creed is barely on page long, -- there is a lot of stuff that is not in it.

Your problem, annalex, is that you cannot separate your Roman Catholicism from your Christianity

How am I supposed to do that? Roman Catholicism is Christianity is its fullest form. You are asking me to injure myself?

4,990 posted on 12/08/2010 5:50:30 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

annalex wrote:
“Ah, OK. The perpetual virginity of Mary is not in any creeds. But that is not the same as saying that it is not in any patristic writing. The creed is barely on page long, — there is a lot of stuff that is not in it.”

I didn’t say it was the same. In fact, since you are the one who complimented me for what I have written before on this very subject, you also know that I am well aware of what is said in the patristic literature. To say, “the creed is barely one page long,” is simply a way of “damning with faint praise.” This is either an indication of insincerity on your part or of real ignorance about the difference between the creeds and all other human writing about Christianity.

The perpetual virginity of Mary, although indeed believed by many, perhaps even most, of the early church fathers, didn’t make it into any of the three creeds because it was not doctrine! It was not necessary to believe for salvation! But Rome, like the Pharisees of old, seems to like laying heavy burdens on people rather than simply doing what the Lord commanded ... preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Power is the ultimate narcotic. Who are really the pharmakoi?

No, annalex, I am not asking you “to injure” yourself. Quite the opposite.


4,995 posted on 12/08/2010 9:29:36 AM PST by Belteshazzar (It is faith that covers up our sins - De Apologia Prophetae David 13, 3 +Ambrose of Milan)
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