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To: MarkBsnr; Lera
the fact of the matter is that the Church has been taught about Christ and that while there may be other paths to salvation, we do not know of or are qualified to even consider them. Yet salvation is of the Lord and He has the final say.

So, are you then saying that the Catholic Church does not really believe what it says about its role in salvation? I have had this discussion with other Catholics, and their argument has usually been along the lines of not wanting to condemn the "poor savage in the deepest, darkest jungle" or those they imagine cannot possibly ever hear of the truth about Christ. It then boils down to, "Well, if they are really good people, then God will be merciful and let them into heaven." Yet we know several things that dispute these ideas.

First, and foremost, is the truth that "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God." (Rom. 3:23) We also know that, "The wages of sin is death." (Rom. 6:23) , "Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins." (Lev. 17:11). Jesus, himself, as I quoted in an earlier post - which was in no way intended to presume Lera could not defend her own position (but I'm sure you knew that, right?). He said he was THE way, THE truth, and THE life, and NO ONE came to the Father BUT through him (John 14:6). So unless you either believe Jesus lied, or was ignorant, you must accept his words as the truth.

I can hear the wheels turning over the internet, "Then HOW can God condemn someone who has no way of ever hearing that?". This presumes a number of things, not the least is placing a limit on the power of the Holy Spirit in this world of whom it is said "He (the Holy Spirit), when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment" (John 16:8). We know that the spirit of God has always been in the world drawing all people to God who search for truth and we cannot limit God by saying he will ignore the heart that diligently seeks him. I trust that God, who loves people more than I can ever imagine and who desires for all to be saved, will get the truth to those who want it. There are numerous instances given in the Bible of people from far away lands coming to faith in the Messiah both from the OT and the NT.

There are NO other paths to salvation and God would be made a liar if he saves some through Christ and others because they are "good" and would believe if they only heard it. That is Satan's lie. Don't limit God.

5,035 posted on 12/08/2010 11:12:59 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums
There are NO other paths to salvation and God would be made a liar if he saves some through Christ and others because they are "good" and would believe if they only heard it. That is Satan's lie. Don't limit God.


Amen !
5,039 posted on 12/09/2010 12:23:25 AM PST by Lera
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