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To: count-your-change
We can just stay in John 6....

35Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."

Here, taking this literally, Jesus is saying He's made out of dough.....

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And John 6 after people leave for taking offense at the thought of eating His literal flesh and blood, He says this....

60 When many of his disciples heard it, they said, "This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?" 61But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, "Do you take offense at this? 62Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

The flesh is no help at all. It bears repeating. Eating His actual flesh and blood does nothing, by His own words.

5,110 posted on 12/10/2010 9:26:10 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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5,111 posted on 12/10/2010 9:38:51 AM PST by xone
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To: metmom

I noted John 15:1 because here is the same Greek term from “alethos”, true.


5,112 posted on 12/10/2010 9:45:31 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: metmom; count-your-change; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; stfassisi
"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life"...The flesh is no help at all. It bears repeating. Eating His actual flesh and blood does nothing, by His own words.

How thoroughly Gnostic! But, assuming you are right, then, John 6:51, 53-54 was either just using a deceptive smokescreen when Jesus says...

...or he really (truly, αμην) was joking, because he really (truly, αληθως) was thinking spirit and not flesh and blood! Yeah, sure. And I have a bridge to sell you.

The Gospel of John is, of course, a heavily interpolated compilation of unrelated sayings which the faithful faithfully pretend to make sense, the way some obediently pretend that the emperor really, truly has clothes even though he doesn't.

5,125 posted on 12/10/2010 3:36:59 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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