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To: RnMomof7; editor-surveyor; presently no screen name; metmom
An entire doctrine of salvation of works built on ONE misunderstood scripture

We do not have a doctrine of salvation by works. We have the biblical doctrine of salvation through faith and works, by grace alone. Nor is it built on that one scripture. We see that we are judged by our works (Mt 25:31-46, Rm. 2:6-10); we are told to do good works (Eph 2:10, Titus 3:8, the ending of any Pauline epistle); we are warned that without them we cannot enter heaven (John 5:29). The opposite is true: the Protestant counterscriptural theory of salvation by faith alone contradicts all that, and it is only supported by the misunderstanding of Romans and Galatians as epistles teaching against salvation by good works, whereas both these letters teach against false pharisaic salvation by legalism, and also call for the good works of charity (Gal 5:6).

The bible is clear that it is God that gives the faith and it is God that ordains the works of the saved

Right. So they who have faith must do these works. Your own words condemn your false doctrine.

5,127 posted on 12/10/2010 5:34:20 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; editor-surveyor; presently no screen name; metmom
We do not have a doctrine of salvation by works. We have the biblical doctrine of salvation through faith and works, by grace alone.

Where does the bible teach we are saved through any works?

What Catholics have is a word game ..

When you use up the grace how and where does one get more?

If one does good works to be saved.. then they are self serving and add nothing to the glory of God..He hates them, they are sin .God will not be mocked.

The unsaved can do nothing but evil .. every good work as man counts good is evil

Will every atheists that does" good "be saved? How about the Muslims ?

What good works did the thief on the cross do?

5,167 posted on 12/11/2010 2:31:37 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: annalex; RnMomof7; editor-surveyor; presently no screen name; metmom
We do not have a doctrine of salvation by works. We have the biblical doctrine of salvation through faith and works, by grace alone.

You cannot be saved by faith AND works and still call it grace. It don't work that way!!! There is nothing Biblical about that doctrine.

5,184 posted on 12/11/2010 10:17:27 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: annalex; boatbums; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; caww; ...

Galatians 3:1-14 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.


5,188 posted on 12/11/2010 10:56:25 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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