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To: boatbums; kosta50
I'm not sure how fun comes into it. The facts as borne out by overwhelming evidence show that Scripture has been massaged by the Church into some sort of harmonization. The Gospels have apparently had most of the attention; the Petrine epistles may not have been even written by Peter - certainly the second one wasn't. Peter was an illiterate fisherman. Where did he get the ability to write all of a sudden?

But it all comes down to the idea that the Church wrote, edited and chose all of the NT; and also chose the OT Scripture that fit its purposes. Either you accept the Church or you do not. If you do not, then you cannot accept the Canon. If you do, then you cannot reject anything else it has pronounced.

5,614 posted on 12/19/2010 6:03:33 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr; kosta50
You're "not sure how fun comes into it"? Well, here's a hint, read what I said IN CONTEXT! I said I didn't intend to hurt Kosta's feelings by saying "Losta". Get it? Play with words? And I already apologized for hurting his feelings (as if).

But as I was just showering, I was thinking, you know maybe what bothers people like him is the idea that they ARE lost and they just hate it when others say so, even, apparently, in joking. Jesus said, "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son." (John 3:18). Whoever does not believe that Jesus is God in the flesh is lost. Jesus said, "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." (John 8:24). We are also told this about those who deny the truth about Jesus:

I John 4:1-3
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesseth not Jesus is not of God: and this is the spirit of the antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it cometh; and now it is in the world already.

But the GOOD NEWS, the GOSPEL, is:

Luke 19:10
For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

So as long as a person has breath, it is never too late.

5,615 posted on 12/19/2010 6:42:47 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: MarkBsnr; boatbums
Either you accept the Church or you do not. If you do not, then you cannot accept the Canon. If you do, then you cannot reject anything else it has pronounced

Exactly. Worth repeating.

5,627 posted on 12/19/2010 7:48:16 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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