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To: metmom
Every major heresy has been justified from Scripture.

Even the devil can quote Scripture for his own purposes. Yeah, like the perpetual virginity of Mary, the eating of blood in communion, the papacy, tradition elevated to be equal to Scripture. The RC church provides no end to the number of heresies it supports with Scripture.

You mean the Catholic Church, don't you? And you must consider this - the Faith preceded the NT Scripture. Even Scripture itself acknowledges that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth - not Scripture alone. The Church does not wander into heresy since it is the entity that determines heresy. Billy Bob Rolex or Luther's every milkmaid does not determine what Christianity is: Jesus did; the Apostles did and the Consensus Patrum does. You as an entity, or you as a member of a particular Protestant prayer barn do not get to determine what Christianity is.

Jesus did not create any *institution*.

Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Through the word, not through the church.

Do you really want to engage in duelling Pauline verses with me? Shall I remind you of the verses that say that faith is a gift from God, and not from hearing or doing anything? Shall I remind you that Jesus Himself told us that the Church is the foundation and pillar or truth? Shall I remind you of Peter being given the keys to heaven by none other than Jesus Himself?

Or do the words of Paul supersede those of Jesus? Do you really believe that the Gospels do not pertain to Christians, only to the Jews? You must remember who posted that significant little detail, do you not? Or shall I remind you of all the Pauline verses that tell us of the hope of salvation and the Judgement that comes on us all of our deeds?

And what does Paul tell us to do? To follow the traditions whether oral or written of the Church!!! Is that in your Bible? Shall I also remind you of the earliest Christian writings that detail the Faith which predate much of written NT Scripture and predate by centuries the choosing of the Canon? The Gospels largely recount the creation and painstaking teaching of the Apostles and the formation of the first members of the Church. Acts and then Paul leads us into the beginnings of Church hierarchy. Shall we debate on that as well?

6,191 posted on 12/29/2010 1:25:10 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
And what does Paul tell us to do? To follow the traditions whether oral or written of the Church!!!

You can't do any of those things without changing a word here or there; adding and subtracting...Or, without going outside of the context of what was written...Just as you did with this statement...

Paul told us to follow the traditions whether written OR oral of the Apostles which had been spoken...

2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Which had been taught and of course by Revelation of Jesus Christ...NOT some idea that will be invented in a thousand years to be called tradition put out by any or every religion that claims the name of Jesus

6,206 posted on 12/29/2010 2:45:12 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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