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To: annalex; count-your-change
you are not saved by the laws but by your works.

Didn't we have this discussion, oh, about five or six times before? You claim you are saved by "your works" yet you want to somehow exclude the "laws". The "Law" said such things as "Thou shalt not kill.; Thou shalt not steal.; Thou shalt not commit adultery.; etc." so do you mean to imply that your "works" do not include refraining from the "thou shalt nots"? Or are they part of the whatever, just "think for yourself"???

7,161 posted on 02/05/2011 11:05:31 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums; count-your-change
Yes, we did have this discussion many times.

do you mean to imply that your "works" do not include refraining from the "thou shalt nots"?

One certainly has to obey the shalt nots of the Bible in order to be saved, but merely obeying them does not save one, as the Sermon on the Mount explain. One has, in addition, to deny self and give his all to Christ, and then he will be saved:

[17] And when he was gone forth into the way, a certain man running up and kneeling before him, asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may receive life everlasting? [18] And Jesus said to him, Why callest thou me good? None is good but one, that is God. [19] Thou knowest the commandments: Do not commit adultery, do not kill, do not steal, bear not false witness, do no fraud, honour thy father and mother. [20] But he answering, said to him: Master, all these things I have observed from my youth. [21] And Jesus looking on him, loved him, and said to him: One thing is wanting unto thee: go, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me. [22] Who being struck sad at that saying, went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. [23] And Jesus looking round about, saith to his disciples: How hardly shall they that have riches, enter into the kingdom of God! [24] And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus again answering, saith to them: Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches, to enter into the kingdom of God? [25] It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. [26] Who wondered the more, saying among themselves: Who then can be saved? [27] And Jesus looking on them, saith: With men it is impossible; but not with God: for all things are possible with God.

[28] And Peter began to say unto him: Behold, we have left all things, and have followed thee. [29] Jesus answering, said: Amen I say to you, there is no man who hath left house or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or children, or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, [30] Who shall not receive an hundred times as much, now in this time; houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions: and in the world to come life everlasting.

(Mark 10)


7,270 posted on 02/28/2011 6:43:03 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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